disable sona on ARAM

magic pole··1 votes·1,276 views

you disable to broken champs on modes like URF,

do the same to sona on aram.

sucks the fun out of the game mode. you either get poked endlessly while they take zero damage and harass because infinite hp/mana. Or you wait 15 minutes til your team has 2 items and can hard engage.

neither are fun. just disable the braindead OP champ sona bc she is broken on ARAM with the increasd mana regen

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Minarde6 votes

There's a difference between disabling champs in temporary modes like URF and disabling champs in permanent modes like ARAM. Map-specific balancing is a better solution, but good luck convincing Riot to do balance updates on something besides SR. Even if Riot does do a balance update, there's still the Dominion/Treeline problem, where Riot doesn't remove map-specific changes once it's no longer relevant or necessary. For instance, I think Tryndamere is still nerfed on TT, and he hasn't been a contested pick in years.

awdaf6 votes

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JafarThePanda6 votes

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magic pole1 votes

have to agree with Karthus , none of the others

Pika3105 votes

I haven't seen Sona win a single game of ARAM for over 20 matches she's been in now. I honestly don't understand where you're coming from, it's common knowledge she's one of the weakest characters in the entire game, in every game mode.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/pika310/Sona%20Meme%2029_zpskuqfz9gu.jpg

magic pole2 votes

hyperbole if ive ever seen it.

she is weak on SR, she is NOT weak on ARAM. every champion gets increased mana regen on howling abyss. It makes Sona oppresive unless you have top tier poke or a tanky team with hard engage. Even then, she is oppresive, but if you wait you can smash her post 6. Still boring af

Abyssphere1 votes

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hyperbole if ive ever seen it.

she is weak on SR, she is NOT weak on ARAM. every champion gets increased mana regen on howling abyss. It makes Sona oppresive unless you have top tier poke or a tanky team with hard engage. Even then, she is oppresive, but if you wait you can smash her post 6. Still boring af

Don't bother arguing with him, he has like 5 accounts he logs onto to downvote every post that disagrees with him. Sona has a 61% win rate in ARAM - nobody is stupid enough to believe that guy saying she's weak in ARAM.

Quepha2 votes

The R stands for Random.

Also, Sona doesn't have the highest winrate in ARAM. Ziggs, Galio, and Teemo perform better than her.

magic pole2 votes

not about the winrate. it's about her having infinite mana = infinite health for her and her teammates if they play it right.

very little counterplay, no fun

Quepha2 votes

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not about the winrate. it's about her having infinite mana = infinite health for her and her teammates if they play it right.

very little counterplay, no fun

She doesn't have infinite mana so she doesn't produce infinite health.

Furthermore, her heal has a fairly decent cooldown, long enough that you can easily out-damage her healing if not outright kill targets between casts of her heal.

Pika3105 votes

As a matter-of-fact, she has the weakest heal in the entire fucking game combined with the most expensive mana cost. Try looking at the numbers next time before spreading blatant lies again:

Sona: 30 HP Nidalee: 45 HP Kayle, Taric, Alistar: 60 HP Nami: 65 HP Bard: 70 HP Soraka: 80 HP

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/pika310/Sona%20Meme%2029_zpskuqfz9gu.jpg

magic pole1 votes

Sona heals herself AND an ally for 30 HP, leaving her heal at 60 base, not including the missing health healing bonus. That would make nidalee's heal the "weakest heal in the entire fucking game", using your numbers (which fails to include scalings, build paths, and mana costs/uses of other abilities). Try looking at the numbers next time before spreading blatant lies

I would explain the advantage she holds over those other champs, but not gonna waste my time. You speak from emotion, very bias

love how you got upvotes though, really speaks to the population of these boards

Pika3105 votes

I knew you'd jump to these excuses, you're not the first person to fabricate these falsities. You're not even the 10th person and I shut all of you down the same way.

Firstly, you're assuming Sona actually has damage on herself, I'll let you have that handicap because frankly you need it. Next, since you opened the door, I'll readjust the numbers per YOUR LOGIC:

  • Taric: 300 HP(That's right, he heals 5 allies)
  • Alistar: 180 HP + 20Xminions(Yup, he heals 5 allies and then some)
  • Nami: 120 HP(She heals 2 allies for DOUBLE of Sona's amount)
  • Bard: 210 HP(3 shrines means 3 simultaneous heals)
  • Sona: 60* HP
  • Kayle: 60 HP
  • Soraka: 80 HP

Now as for Nidalee? You just proved you don't know Sona's kit because once again you've falsified a claim:

The missing HP on Sona's heal is +50% of ITS OWN STRENGTH per 100% an ally's missing HP. Thus, the MAXIMUM it can heal for is 45 HP + 30% AP

Nidalee heals for 45 HP + 50% AP always, with no reliance on waiting for an ally to reach 0 HP just to maximize healing effectiveness.

You're now Zero for Two. Would you like me to continue tearing apart your Selective Disinformation or do you concede?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/pika310/Sona%20Meme%2029_zpskuqfz9gu.jpg

magic pole2 votes

lol, i can't believe you typed all that theory up. you're also assuming allies aren't already at full HP for all those new numbers. You're assuming best case scenarios, fully optimal heals, which is most often impossible in a real situation. a 5 man taric and alistar heal is exceedingly rare, rarer also that all members will even need a heal. Contrarily, Sona's specifically targets the most wounded ally and grants everyone a shield. I could go through the flaws of each of these champions' heals compared to Sona's, but i'm not wasting my time educating you about that.

but sure have it your way, sona's heal is the worst on paper, when isolated from so many other variables to result in sona being oppressive on ARAM. You still don't factor in cooldowns, build paths, other abilities, nor scalings for each of these cases.

it's too long of a project to waste my time with; but in game these factors contribute to sona specifically being oppressive compared to any of the other champions you listed.

imaginary theory just doesn't work out that way in the real world

cocacolalips3 votes

He is wrong, Sona W is not the worst on Paper, he didn't account for the shield + % missing health scaling that's all. And Alistar heal is only 33% effective on allies.

magic pole1 votes

yeah, he's just so hyperfocused on how the heals compare numerically that he misses the whole point. so many other factors contribute to sona's power besides the heal. The shield for example. I didn't even think about the new athene's but that makes her even better

cocacolalips3 votes

You don't know what you are talking about, she has a heal that heals 2 people and a shield that shields 5 people for the same amount, and her AP ratio are decent, coupled with the cunnning mastery that grants armor/magic resistance she is the best healer/support by a landslide, the 2nd best healer is Alistar, and he was nerfed a bit back then.

Pika3105 votes

Sona does not heal 2 people, that's just a blatant lie: Sona heals HERSELF(assuming she even has damage on her) and ONE SINGULAR ALLY.

Sona's "shield" is melee-range, you're lucky to tag 1 person other than herself. Then, it has a 1.5-second duration, less than half the duration of any other shield of the entire support class as a whole. Both of these restrictions aside, its 30-point strength is yet again the lowest in the entire support class, half-of or even less than every other shield short of Thresh's.

As for her AP ratio? Both the heal and shield are the lowest AP ratios of the entire support class. There's nothing "decent" about her factually being the WORST SUPPORT IN THE GAME.

Worse yet, you're now resorting to masteries because you know you don't have an argument, but items that aren't part of Sona's kit won't save you. News flash: EVERY CHAMPION CAN USE MASTERIES, THEY ARE NOT UNIQUE TO SONA.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v636/pika310/Sona%20Meme%2029_zpskuqfz9gu.jpg

cocacolalips3 votes

You dumb or what. An ally + herself = 2. You are always taking damage on Sona since you are on the frontline poking with Q.

You are arguing with a 3K games aram player with a 2K elo rating. Just saying.

She builds full AP, a luxury other contenders can't do. Her shield triggers the armor/magic resistance buff on 4 ppl. On Aram every player is near eachother, you shield everyone all the time, the aura lasts several seconds it's enough to shield everyone. She shields 5 ppl and heals 2, she does it all the time she often builds a tear, and has near max cdr, thanks to new chalice that is cheap as hell. On that note, she is the best champion to make use of the new chalice as well for even more healing, since she has an easy time poking and doing damage with Q.

Edit, I'll bring some numbers too, since you can't read nor math.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Sona/Abilities http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Taric/Abilities

Sona 「 MINIMUM HEAL: 30 / 50 / 70 / 90 / 110 (+ 20% AP) 」+ increased by 0.5% for every 1% of target's missing health + SHIELD STRENGTH: 35 / 55 / 75 / 95 / 115 (+ 20% AP) (+ 10 / 20 / 40)

Taric HEAL PER CHARGE: 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 / 60 (+ 20% AP) (+ 1.5% bonus health) (not counting the charge system that is useless since you spam heals anyway)

Sona shields twice more than taric heals, and she also heals and she heals more and no healing is wasted ever unlike Tarics heal, and she heals more often and her heal/shield is easier to apply.

BlueBonquet1 votes

There will always be strong and weak champions, it's all about luck really and Sona is really not that bad. My least favorite champion in Aram is Veigar, endless Ap gain from killing champs and his annoying astral barrier traps 1-4 effortlessly if they are engaging, very un-fun to play against.
More annoying champs Blitzcrank Fiddlesticks Vladimir Shaco Teemo Yorick

Worldwyrm2 votes

Don't forget new Veigar with his 1200 AP by 20 minutes.

magic pole1 votes

Blitzcrank ez sidestep Q when he walks towards you Fiddlesticks ez dont be a dumbass and let him get free E's and dont be a dumbass and get baited into his ult Vladimir legitimately a fucking ARAM god but not annoying and not toxic to play against like Sona or Soraka. Shaco annoying but easily countered by item 2047 Teemo made irrelevant by item 2047 . Otherwise builds trash on hit builds and is easily dispatched Yorick only seen him 3 times in over 1000 games of ARAM. His roll rate is obviously suppressed.

Veigar is an ARAM god, but his E has counterplay of dodging and knowing his reach.

Sona is point and click no skill trash that gains infinite mana from the howling abyss buff and that translates into infinite health for her teammates, leaving the only viable strategy vs. sona is all-in hard engage. Most comps will never be able to do that before level 6.

BlueBonquet1 votes

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Blitzcrank ez sidestep Q when he walks towards you Yeah easier said than done...

Fiddlesticks ez dont be a dumbass and let him get free E's and dont be a dumbass and get baited into his ult Again easier said than done.....

Vladimir legitimately a fucking ARAM god but not annoying and not toxic to play against like Sona or Soraka. annoying blood sucker

Shaco annoying but easily countered by item 2047 I was referring to ap shaco that shoves boxes in the bushes and throws knifes

Teemo made irrelevant by item 2047 . Otherwise builds trash on hit builds and is easily dispatched I wonder what that item does lol

Yorick only seen him 3 times in over 1000 games of ARAM. His roll rate is obviously suppressed. Yes it is although riot refuses to admit it

Veigar is an ARAM god, but his E has counterplay of dodging and knowing his reach. I said the E was able to hit 1-4 when they are engaging....

Sona is point and click no skill trash that gains infinite mana from the howling abyss buff and that translates into infinite health for her teammates, leaving the only viable strategy vs. sona is all-in hard engage. Most comps will never be able to do that before level 6. Well okay I guess she is bad

magic pole1 votes

Yeah, item 2047 elixir reveals boxes, mushrooms, and stealthed units like shaco Q , wukong W, talon R. So it trashes AP shaco since most of his damage is boxes. Do you really not even know what item 2047 is? Don't want your input then

cocacolalips1 votes

You can't hate on Sona, she is the only champion who stands a chance against the plethora of mages and other poke champions who dominate the map. She is the hero we need and the hero we deserve. She allows champions who would otherwise get poked down and die to survive the lane phase and maybe turn around an otherwise unwinnable game. If that wasn't for her, the gap between ranged and melee champions would be even worse.

On the contrary, we need more champions like her. Soraka, Nami and Janna are a joke in comparison.

Laughing at the downvotes, someone has never heard of Rock-paper-scissors. Remove paper and what do you get? Right.

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