Every Targeted Hard CC spell

Bârd·Jun 4, 2015·18 votes·4,881 views

W Passive E Q E W Passive Q R W R W Passive, R E W E E E W E R W E R E R Q R Q

Exists. If you see her, or any champion with dashes out the ass ( ie ), Take one of these spells.

Riot, stop removing the targeted spells and the instant CC. You killed veigar by removing his instant. You killed Ryze by making his Q useless for harass. You killed Zilean by making his ONLY DAMAGING SPELL impossible to land. Damage spells are one thing. CC is another. The league of mobility is real. I dare you to kill a Kalista with 2.2 attackspeed as somone like Mundo, Chogath, or Heimer. If she is paying any attention, you wont do shit to her.

Not saying to nerf Kalista specifically. The speed isnt a problem, just give us the tools to deal with it.

48 Comments

chumblerJun 4, 201517 votes

But reliable cc gives league of mobility lovers the feelbads.

ProeliumJun 4, 20158 votes

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But reliable cc gives league of mobility lovers the feelbads.

It should give them a lot worse than that.

Rinky DinkyJun 4, 201514 votes

nah there are no target hard cc's left don't you check the boards duh

Edit: how the fuck are you gonna leave out Taric

AutoreactiveCD4Jun 4, 20151 votes

gems

FooDangJun 4, 201510 votes

"This list sucks" - Taric

Champion SkinJun 4, 20155 votes

Some of them aren't the best Like Xin Zhao Q While yes it is targeted... kind of... the problem is that it is melee range and can take some time to get of meaning your target has the time to dash/jump away or Xin Zhao might be CC'ed or peeled of his target And Karma W kind of has the same problem in that if your target has any mobility they can often break the tether before getting snared

And of course you should be careful with Vi R and Maokai W if your target has a lot of mobility After all you don't want to target a LB and have her W + R (+ Flash) into her entire team dragging you along into a 1v5

bradJun 4, 20155 votes

you're forgetting that more than half of these champions are dog shit and the other half are ultimates

ProeliumJun 4, 20154 votes

Playing as Trundle against Kalista is legitimately the closest I've come to simply uninstalling the game.

doublelift fgJun 4, 20151 votes

DrMundo vs Kalista

ProeliumJun 4, 20151 votes

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vs

Yeah man... yeah....

Trundle 's pillar literally gets in his way cuz she can hop over it lol

HorusEyeJun 4, 20154 votes

All you did is making a list of champion abilities for Riot to figure out which needs a 0.5 second delay.

Champion SkinJun 4, 20153 votes

Well a lot of them do have a delay or rely on a skill shot Like Blitzcrank E most often rely on him hitting Q first And things like XinZhao Q requires 3 attacks without the target flashing/dashing away or Xin Zhao getting CC'ed Or Karma W which also requires some time to get off

Or there are conditional ones like Poppy E and Vayne E which both requires a wall (if not the knock back usually don't provide too much disruption compared to getting a stun)

CrettJun 4, 20153 votes

Taric !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2nd FiddleJun 4, 20153 votes

Annie passive->Q

EffectFXJun 4, 20152 votes

Ultimate, conditional, and melee instant CC's probably aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Comparing them to Veigar's ability to instantly stun (with a ranged, instant, non-ultimate spell) someone and delete them later in the game really isn't a fair comparison. Or Zilean's ability to basically cheese harass people with unavoidable damage. Numbers can be tweaked and they can be brought back into line.

Champion SkinJun 4, 20151 votes

Well they still have the problem with Zilean damage scaling... In that his damage stops scaling at level 9 when he has his bombs maxed out... (After level 9 he only get the ability to do his combo more often but it won't get any higher base damages)

And they did possibly wack his E a tad bit too hard (the increase in % is far weaker than the loss in duration.. mostly because of the caps and reductions on slows/speed buffs)

EffectFXJun 5, 20151 votes

Not saying that isn't the case. But old zilean unavoidable harass was a pain in the ass for several match ups way back when. Riot is steadily and slowly attempting to remove long-longish range unavoidable damage/cc from non-ultimates abilities.

Champion SkinJun 5, 20151 votes

Well I think Zilean might need some compensation and buffs

After all the things that has been nerfed Passive - no longer global Q - Reliability W - doesn't work on ult (giving ult a longer cooldown compared to before) E - weaker then before simply because high % ms buff or slow isn't as effective as a long lasting one R - shorter duration (and kind of longer cooldown)

The advantages Q - the possibility to stun W - Doesn't have to use as much mana to spam this to reduce ult cooldown

That's the only advantages for Zilean with the changes as far as I can see... and I simply don't see it being enough to put Zilean in a good spot

EffectFXJun 6, 20151 votes

Not saying that isn't the case.

Numbers can be tweaked and they can be brought back into line.

DrNovaJun 4, 20152 votes

Ryze can harass plenty. Its called E, and its mean af if you use it right. Throw in that stun of his even meaner.

FooDangJun 4, 20156 votes

I wish it was a stun...

Baron of BreadJun 4, 20154 votes

That would be so broken, oh my gosh. The perma stun would be ridiculous.

OrbvJun 4, 20151 votes

Seeing as Q is the shortest CC and gathers the most dmg from putting ranks in, it APPEARS to be the go to spell. People are still getting used to the nerf of Q W E Q in lane.

hgjkdlsaf jeldvbJun 5, 20152 votes

Annie Irelia LeeSin Renekton Taric

FistOfSharkieshaJun 4, 20151 votes

Yeah not sure why they give Leblanc right click reliably damage and an escape, Kalista right click damage and tons of mobility, but they keep nerfing the champions that already had -50% winrate

The Bardic GayJun 4, 20151 votes

-50% winrate champs like, oh, Leblanc or Kalista for instance?

Winrate is not good proof of strength, much less proof of having a good kit for the game's health.

LlaniteJun 4, 20151 votes

Hard CC should required special conditions to trigger. Always-ready + point-and-click could resolve with softer CC like root.

If the trend holds, the following will have their CC reworked soon Alistar Lulu Pantheon Udyr Taric Aatrox Irelia Jax

MelloriJun 4, 20151 votes

Taric is supposed to be getting a rework soon.

Uhoh.

FadedpfJun 4, 20151 votes

Sad thing is not even half of these cc's are able to deal with kalista 100%

ReikkenJun 4, 20151 votes

you left out the two with the most spammable targeted (ranged) stuns Taric Annie

manbearswineJun 4, 20151 votes

you realize that half of these are melee ranged right? and that it's awfully hard to get into melee range with kalista?

Also a good chunk of these are situational(like poppy,vayne,or karma) which are again very hard to apply on something so mobile.

AFK PushJun 4, 20151 votes

I wouldn't say XinZhao or Udyr are good picks against Kalista . Kalista can kite an udyr that has ghost and randuins. Xin Probably won't be able to get all 3 autos off as well he will have to blow his e and ult to maybe get that knockup.

killd0zerJun 4, 20151 votes

Alistar's groung pound isnt targeted lol

supes the lostJun 4, 20151 votes

He pointed out headbutt, which is the getting tackled by a mad bull skill. Not the ground punching.

Robert SmithJun 4, 20151 votes

Sure it is. He targets the ground, so a 100% landed skill

AFK PushJun 4, 20151 votes

Also, if you are considering udyr's stun for this list then renekton and irelia should both be on this list.

CenturosJun 4, 20151 votes

Quite a few of these are Melee skills or autoattacks, which don't work very well on Kalista.

FalconPawwwwnchJun 4, 20151 votes

"Killed Ryze" lol Ryze is broken af right now just wait until 5.10 hits pro play

DeusVultJun 4, 20151 votes

70% of these are auto-attack modifiers, so they barely even count

PKP PunchaNigJun 4, 20151 votes

But ryze doesn't even need to harass anymore. You just farm up a shield and tear at level 6 and go back to lane and press every ability as fast as you can while being 2 inches from whoever it is you're murdering.

Summonerrr 1Jun 4, 20151 votes

The taric rage is outRAAAAGEOUS.

MundoJun 5, 20151 votes

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I dare you to kill a Kalista with 2.2 attackspeed as somone like Mundo, Chogath, or Heimer. If she is paying any attention, you wont do shit to her.