That is not a reason to refuse to leash.
That is not a reason to steal their first camp.
That is not a reason to spam the "?" ping on them when they are just trying to farm.
Doing these things does nothing but fuck up your teams early game and piss off your jungler.
Assisting the enemy is reportable, Zyra jungle is not.
DREADN0UGHT15 votesI jungle naut the most lately. And its technically "off meta" and no one bats an eye.
disregardable64 votesNope, not off meta. It used to be a thing in seasons past.
BeatzBoyFTW22 votesJungle Naut IS viable. Just that we now have a majority of sheeps who thinks he's only a Support just because "BUT LCS DOES IT HURR DURR DURR"
High52 votesLcs does Naut top and it's worked out very poorly.
Spaceman5pff5 votesIt usually goes poorly when people go for the RoA rush, but if you watch for the sunfire / frozen heart rush games it seems to go much better.
Trust me - my name is Spaceman and I have Astronautilus [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Mhihnj25 votesI used naut supp before LCS
yoniame17 voteseveryone with a bit of curiosity did
BeatzBoyFTW7 votesAnd we were called trolls for doing that.....
B1naryB0t5 votesWhy wouldn't you anyways? 4 forms of CC and tanky AF.
Westonbirt1 votesBut he brings very little damage. He's an unbelievably effective frontline disruptor for teamfights but he's also extremely team reliant. Also, slow clears.
And in the current meta people expect the jungler to be polyvalent and self sufficient ; and maybe also a bit broken.
Abyssphere5 votesJungle Naut IS viable. Just that we now have a majority of sheeps who thinks he's only a Support just because "BUT LCS DOES IT HURR DURR DURR"
Funny thing is he's a top laner in the LCS now. All the LCS has proven to people with sense is that you can take Naut pretty much anywhere.
AdminAnonymous3 votesIt also proves that we should stay open for other non common picks because each patch can bring something new to the table.
MAGA MAN X 20203 votesHe's been used as a top laner more than support this season in all pro leagues. Off Meta doesn't mean viable/not viable, just not favored in the current meta. I'm a Sej main with over 70% win rate, she's definitely off meta but if you really master any champ you can do well.
Chortle12 votesI've pretty much given up trying to convince people that jungle Zyra works really well. Sure there are a lot of other champions that are FOTM right now, but none of them have the AOE cc, burst, and zoning of Zyra jungle.
The community is too negative about unusual picks. It's not about being a special snowflake, it's about having fun in this damn game for a change. Playing OP fotm shit bores me to death.
I feel your pain OP. This game and its community are the shittiest it has been in a while.
I personally can't wait for Overwatch. Have had nothing but fun times in beta.
http://36.media.tumblr.com/3b434ac802a41a901d9fb1e931c8e093/tumblr_o1w4hsohdg1tvmyy6o1_1280.png
here's my placement games with mostly zyra jungle.
Skullchaos1 votesBasically anything works in gold 4...
Chortle3 votesBasically anything works in gold 4...
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=melyn
Diamond Zyra main plays her jungle all the time, but yes it does also work in Gold 4.
disregardable10 votesIf you want to play a jungler that's reliant on a leash larger than 2-4 auto-attacks in solo-queue, here's a thought just don't.
Bârd58 votesLet me put it this way
Say you have an 
who started Q for an invade, but he missed and it got called off. Would you just leave him to try and take gromp with his only ability being Q?
Of course not.
That would be retarded.
Now, say you have a 
jungle who did the same thing. Would you leave him with no leash? No.
Something else I have seen is someone stealing the first camp, denying level 2, just because they didn't like the jungle pick.
If you do that to a 
, she is fucked and YOU get called a troll.
If you do it to a 
, she is equally fucked but no one cares.
OyddAWqJ5r7 votesThat said any jungler can clear 1st camp and buff and back then go straight to 2nd buff in those situations. No point in putting lanes behind just cuz you messed up. Especially in bot lane, that 1 minion lost is a good 5 seconds before they get their ult b4 the enemy.
Edit: Which leads to some devastating bot carnage.
Rain NT13 votesLeashing most of the time shouldnt effect how much exp you get, if you leash correctly you should only AA 3-4 times and run straight back to lane immediately so you dont lose out on exp.
OyddAWqJ5r13 votesMaybe I misunderstood. The way I heard it was you guys started the leash late. Thus why I said "...cuz you messed up".
But you're just saying to leash in general? Didn't think people didn't do that so I didn't consider it.
B1naryB0t6 votesDon't forget abilities. If you have an ability that can help clear it that will be off CD by the time you get to lane, for the love of god, use it.
Mecha MaIphite10 votesSay you have an
Of course not.
friends help each other out
amumu has no friends
therefore you are not obliged to help him
Unstoppable Monk2 votesHere's an idea, don't use outdated information from a meta that doesn't exist anymore.
disregardable13 votesMeta has nothing to do with it. 5 autos is the maximum amount of time I can stay without losing a creep. I'm not getting behind on xp, so you're not getting a longer leash.
Unstoppable Monk1 votesMeta has everything to do with it. But hey, just keep losing game from winning lane when you get rekt by a built devourer ghostblade carry jungler that could have been stopped by anything that needs harder leashes.
Hello I am Bird23 votesJungler takes 5 more seconds to take gromp
EVERYTHING SUDDENLY GOES TO SHIT AND YI IS INSTANTLY STACKED
SithesisLord2 votesSo basically, duo top and take no jungler? Because nowadays 2-4 AAs barely counts as a leash.
Seriously, stay a while longer to leash. You might lose farm, but at least if your jungler gets invaded, he´ll be closer to full hp and might even be able to turn the invade around, thusly avoiding giving them a 400 gold lead on you.
disregardable10 votesThe standard 4 auto leash is fine for every meta jungler. It's your own fault if you pick something that needs extra commitment from your team without asking them.
And I don't just lose farm, I lose lane pressure and experience. I've lost lanes because I got to lane a few creeps behind.
SithesisLord1 votesAnd I don't just lose farm, I lose lane pressure and experience. I've lost lanes because I got to lane a few creeps behind.
If you lost lane, it sure as hell wasn´t because you were behind on CS.
Captain Aishi5 votesthere's about 40% of toplane matchups where you will instantly lose the lane HARD if you miss 1 creep of XP in the first wave and your opponent doesnt, because he gets to level2 before you and then denies you the entire second minion wave of XP by zoning you, sometimes even reaching level 3 when you're still level1
bluebreeze529 votesJungle meta is actually super flexible right now. A majority of picks have great potential in the right hands.
Eevee In A Jar9 votesAs much as I hate unorthodox picks, I would never screw over my jungler. WTF is wrong with you pissy players to pull off shit like that? They are your teammates. If you dont' have your teammates back, then piss off. You can practically jungle with anyone in this season if you know how to do it. The team jeopardizing the jungler himself is guaranteeing he will abandon you in lane and you have no one to blame but yourselves.
Spacesuit Spiff3 votesTheyre just afraid of being challenged if the jungler actually does well. So no lesh. Then they dont have to worry about it doing well
Spacesuit Spiff9 votesEven if you would rather have a meta jungler than a offmeta, you should rather have a jungler with a leash. This isnt a tough question.
Knoyle7 votesPSA: doing that shit to ANY Jungler will hurt them and in effect you unless you can carry your lane all game including fighting the enemy jungler. Have you seen Karthus Jungle? That crap is crazy.
TeCoolMage11 votesI have a friend who now mains Karthus jungle... He ganks all the lanes at once...
DeathBurst6 votesPSA: don't be an ar*e with your team-mates, it won't make you win.
Not only true for your jungle.
The Voids Call5 votesPeople acting negatively and throwing you under the bus for playing unusual champions, is something which really just needs to stop.
"OMG why'd you go AP 
mid lane.", before the jungle refuses to gank your lane.
"WTF 
isn't AD you fucking idiot" , before you go 3/1/0 in lane.
What's really bad is when a team constantly attacks you for having lost lane or something as these unusual picks. I hate to break the news to you, but you don't win every lane, even on 
the most 
meta of 
fucking meta 
champions, you 
narrow minded 
fucking twat 
Emperor Time3 votesThis is Kinda a grey area for me, Cause i'm a jungle main. Like yea you still deserve a leash, but why are you playing zyra jungle in the first place. If you wanted an ap jungler you could have just went for someone like Ekko/Nidalee/Elise/Evelynn and be able to self leash.
SH Azykan11 voteseve still needs a leash in most cases, hell she is actually way worse at clearing than jungle zyra, and the ganks are slightly more in favor for zyra as well (bringing meaningful cc and good burst) Eve cheats vision, but is so UP right now because of it I would much rather have someone like an Annie jungle (as a semi-jungle main) UNLESS you are an actual Evelynn main and know how to abuse her stealth
High53 votesIs the goal to win or be different? Why jungle the equivalent of Teemo when there are far better options?
kile14711 votesBecause sometimes the off meta picks offer something unique to the team. I imagine that post 6 Teemo jg has unparalleled map control because his mushrooms let you know whenever the enemy jg tries to leave.
Avios14 votesI try Teemo Jungle sometimes, and can confirm this.
FastAsHeck3 votesthe fact you consider jungle teemo to be bad makes your point invalid. It's just like kile147 said, jungle teemo brings incredible vision control
Nunya Bezwacks1 votesIf you cant clear the first camp solo you shouldn't be jungling anyway. the ? pings are asking why your not doing jack shit or if the mid is conceeded and thinks he is suppose to ALWAYS have blue buff. If you did anything you wouldn't see them in the jungle while farming in the jungle. If you weren't bad them stealing the first camp wouldn't be an issue. Nobody is afraid of pissing of a zyra jungle because your not gonna do anything for 30-50 minutes anyway...except maybe die constantly.taking your jungle or pinging at you isn't assisting the enemy any more then picking zyra jungle.
GenghisEmo10 votesLeash is needed even more Jg meta champs.
Two, good leash equals better or earlier ganks.
So be nice, think smart, help leash.
