I've seen a lot of people talk about karma and how riot screwed her rework up and a lot of karma mains were upset about it, so I watched the old karma champion spotlight and I dont really see what was so fun about old karma? was it her playstyle or what? just curious
also hopefully riot doesnt ignore rengar mains and does something about his terrible rework
Mostly principle. Karma was one of the older Champion Reworks so a lot of people weren't used to getting their champion changed. That said, this was back when Riot completely ignored what everyone was saying and just did their own shit. The big thing about her was her lore and kit combination: it was all about balance. Damage/Shield, Damage/Heal, etc. Honestly it's been so long I don't remember her old kit all that well anymore. But each skill had a yinyang nature to it, and Riot ripped that away without asking. That left a really sour taste in a lot of Karma mains' mouths. That said, she's probably in a "healthier"TM state now, but her original lore and kit thematic has been straight up ignored to this day.
That's my take on it. I do have Traditional Karma on several accounts, so at least I know I played the old Karma a little bit, but other than that I'm not really an old Karma main so take my word with a grain of salt.
To put it simply, old Karma was good because she was original. New Karma is diluted, generic and ultimately ruined.
She had all of her unique elements stripped away until she became what she is now, a themeless caster who's only picked for strong early poke and her mid/late spammable talisman/locket ult.
I played alot of old Karma mainly because I've always loved obscure picks due to people generally not having a predisposed plan to dealing with it. Old Karma's passive was also great, she had more AP the lower her HP was and was capable of pulling off some huge clutch heals OR shield bombs with her mantra'd shield. Either way her and Galio are prime examples of a champion being literally DELETED. Something Riot has claimed they wouldn't do, but alas.
Had ultimate at level 1 with 2 charges to alter abilites Clothesline mechanic was neat,just didnt work with back then idiots,It WOULD work now that people have gotten used to champions like thresh Big shield with a big ratio 280+80%ap lasts 5 seconds compared to her now 170+50%ap lasts 4 seconds AOE surprise shield bomb that easily turned the tide of a losing fight by shielding your ally and dealing 280+80%ap to nearby enemies Got Ap from having lower health,not original though it used to be on Ryze but a Character named Karma getting stronger from taking damage was neat Had a skill shot aoe heal only other was Ezreals W Her voice had actual personality Some people really like when characters use Fans since they're uncommon
Immediate issues of reworked Karma
Most Karma mains didn't like Karma's old blue/purple/black/white color scheme being changed to Green/Purple Karma lost and still doesn't really have a passive Q generic skill shotcost too much mana for how bad it was at clearing waves when Old karma could hit the entire wave with no problem W was changed from a speed manipulating clothes line damage unique ability to a Worse in almost every way Leblanc chain with a 2 second channel time to actually activate(which is even longer since it has a cast time) to only snare for 1 second WHILE Leblancs was a skill shot but has a huge hit bot,HAD A SLOW ON IT,had a 10 second cooldown when Karma's was 16-14 and took 1.5 seconds to snare Karmas tether is calculated center to center while Leblanc was calculated edge to edge so while its said they both have 1000 range there is actually a 2 teemo difference. E shield is all around smaller with a longer cooldown going from 280+80%ap with 10 seconds cooldown to 240+50%ap with 12 seconds cooldown R+Q had a moronic explosion calculation R+W did not have the burst heal it so everyone thought it was fucking stupid to attach yourself to an enemy for 2 seconds to slowly heal when old karma could just shield herself and use her tether to speed her up R+E shields values being lowered,no extra ap from loss of passive,no 2 charges to combo with made her shield bombing not even worth
Following these awful numbers combined with a kit with no skill expression left a lot of old players unhappy and new people that tried her out were given a support mage hybrid that sucked at both
So then she got buffed 7 times
Part of why Karma was changed is due to her not being popular and being 'confusing', it wasn't a rework tackling balance changes only. If you're dedicated to a champion because you like how it looks and feels to play then it suddenly changes visually and kit wise because most people don't like it, despite there being many other options, it feels bad.
Karma is also pretty generic now in terms of kit, but that as honestly RIot's goal anyways.
