Vlad and Shen are both picked for their ulti in LCS

Sona x Rubick·Sep 9, 2016·46 votes·1,494 views

Better randomly nerf their laning phase and some shit to make them unplayable in ranked and still overpowered in lcs

27 Comments

WitchQueen AnnieSep 9, 20165 votes

THE VLAD NERFS ARE GOD AWFUL

GOD AWFUL

Sona x RubickSep 9, 20164 votes

well it's for "lcs" and that's why they won't nerf what makes them picked 70% of the time.

JefftiffySep 10, 20161 votes

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The reason they nerfed them is they are meant to do a specific job. They do that job well, therefore they are going after where they are doing well and not supposed to be so that they keep their identity instead of every champ becoming so similar that there is no variety in gameplay.

Their lane phase is supposed to be their weak point. They are supposed to lose lane win game. Not both unless they hard counter their lane opponent.

WoonStruckSep 11, 20161 votes

The nerfs they made to Vlad weren't 'lose lane win game' considering they significantly nerfed him at all stages of the game.

They're going to make him useless before he's not picked for his ultimate. They don't know how to read their own fucking game.

TyrekGoldenspearSep 9, 20161 votes

I was saving up to buy him too...

MunchCrunchLunchSep 9, 20164 votes

vlad is picked in lcs because of his E damage and Q heal. not his ult. and the fact that he can still do massive damage building bruiser ap.

Dr PoroSep 9, 201614 votes

When a champ is OP in LCS and underpowered in soloQ, then you have to wonder what ability it is that causes this. For Shen it's obvious. A 2.5 sec teleport + shield is way better in organized team play. Also his Taunt + Flash combo is a lot better in there because every taunt flash will get instant follow up and is a huge threat just by being possible. If you taunt flash in soloQ, your teammates will be like "wtf why dive so deep" after they were wondering what was going on for over a second while they would've been able to follow up if there was voice chat.

With Vlad, I don't think it are the single target lifedrain or AOE damage that makes him so strong but rather the damage-amp for the entire team. His ult is really what makes him amazing. His sustain is what makes him viable enough early on to ensure he has no downsides.

While it's his ult that he is picked for, nerfing other things that opens up weaknesses is just as effective to balance a champion. However, it probably causes him to fall even further in soloQ. Every year the same pattern repeats: Team oriented champions are too strong in the spring. Teams will pick/ban them every game and the meta revolves around them. By the time it's Worlds, the competitive scene will be somewhat balanced but teams have gained a significant amount of their points during an imbalanced stage. Then, during Worlds and afterwards, those team-oriented champions will remain at the bottom tier in soloQ until they get a rework and the cycle continues: next spring they'll be OP.

Sona x RubickSep 9, 20163 votes

Then why isn't swain picked? you just described swain but differently

vlad's ulti make it so it increases the damage of EVERYONE on a potential 5 targets, who else can do this?

BIH DiamondSep 9, 20162 votes

Because Swain doesn't have a skill that gets him out of ganks and bad situations

CasterGilgameshSep 10, 20161 votes

swain has a root and a slow...so thats not really an excuse a good swain shouldnt have much problems with ganks...

Oakleaf RangerSep 10, 20161 votes

the slow is mostly used for farming and harass and most gap closers especially those of the meta champions can overcome it without much issue. The delay on his snare makes landing it pretty much unlikely on anyone who is watching for it plus without his ultimate he is a sitting duck unlike Vlad if he gets flanked.

BIH DiamondSep 10, 20164 votes

Root and slow don't stop a gragas E>R

Troll for TrumpSep 10, 20163 votes

And another good LCS player will have no problem dealing with his root and slow.

Swiftstrike4Sep 9, 20162 votes

I have no doubt in my mind that they will both still be played along with gragas, if they are not banned.

TyrekGoldenspearSep 9, 20161 votes

Just disable them for worlds :^) Problem solved.

RisenDarkKnightSep 9, 20161 votes

Vlad isn't picked for his ulti at all. He's picked for his survivability. So if anything, he's picked for his pool.

Yeah Shen is picked for his ult, but they've already nerfed the cooldown on it recently. Do you want it longer than 3 minutes? (no ult cooldown is longer than 3 minutes I think). The shield is already pretty pitiful until rank 3(lvl 16), so the only other thing to nerf on it would be the channel time.

Dr PoroSep 9, 20166 votes

Shen ult CD is 180 / 150 / 120 Karthus has 200 / 180 / 160

Tbh Channel time should indeed have been nerfed. With the nerf to TP, it's a huge buff to Shen because the difference in arrival is increased by 1 sec.

MelledoneusSep 10, 20161 votes

No. The channel time is literally the lifeblood of the ability. I'd rather the CD be Karthus's ult cooldown than increase the channel time.

AhristocatsSep 10, 20161 votes

nerfing the coolown won't change anything, the problem isn't how much time shen is able to do it per games. rather how many time you have to kill the target before shen teleports

oh, revert his other non sens nerfs.

R FLASH XDSep 10, 20161 votes

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Shen ult CD is 180 / 150 / 120 Karthus has 200 / 180 / 160

Tbh Channel time should indeed be nerfed. With the nerf to TP, it's a huge buff to Shen because the difference in arrival is increased by 1 sec.

So Shen offers something special, OUT WITH IT!Cause why not.

Dr PoroSep 10, 20161 votes

The channel would still be shorter than TP, but instead of 2.5 sec vs 4.5 it should be 3 sec. It used to be just one second shorter than tp and that was already a big deal. The fact that with some CDR the CD is way shorter than tp and if you also pick tp you have 2 globals, makes Shen still the biggest map present toplaner in the game.

Shen had to be nerfed somewhere for Worlds. He was pick/ban. I prefered if they nerfed his ult instead of making him even worse in soloQ. Right now, it's too late to nerf him. Balance is about the ladder again until spring.

CatastropSep 10, 20161 votes

Last time I checked, Vlad's ult is not only a damage buff for everyone on the team, but a massive heal. If that's not survivability I don't know what is.

Ulquiorra995Sep 9, 20161 votes

You can also throw Liss up in that mix.

RossendaleSep 9, 20161 votes

I'm probably biased because I mained Shen but I feel he was fine the way he was in lower elo and didn't need random damage nerfs to make his laning go from okay to meh/bad.