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I died once at 11 minutes as the adc.

Rivuo··6 votes·696 views

Enemy team gets first tower blood

Lost dragon

Lost my sums

Riot : 4 man bot is fine!!

47 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSo5 votes

lol why dont your team 4 man bot and punish the enemy ?

Rivuo2 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r7titVYz,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-01-02T00:27:37.568+0000)

lol why dont your team 4 man bot and punish the enemy ?

So the solution is whoever 4 man bots first? alright

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

the game is about objectives

get objectives

the enemy did they won

you didnt you lost

oSEXYPLATYPUSo4 votes

down vote me all you want... its a viable strategy that is used over and over in pro play

learn to adapt , push the issues

this game is no longer farm for 20 mins and group and team fight

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r7titVYz,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-01-02T00:32:40.819+0000)

down vote me all you want... its a viable strategy that is used over and over in pro play

learn to adapt , push the issues

this game is no longer farm for 20 mins and group and team fight

You cant say learn to adapt when getting 4 man tower dived is not something i can do nor change

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

but if a team rush bot like that then they should lose on the other side of the map. mid or top...

everything in game is a pro and con...

the fact that your team didnt adapt to that and pressure and get objectives else where isnt a problem with the enemy ganking 4 bot its a problem with your team not taking advantage of other parts of the map

Dryditch1 votes

The issue is that one-two players are being punished for something they can't control. The lack of agency is what pisses people off about bot lane these days.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

ok but just as in PRO play when they rotated 3 bot and push for 1st turret the enemy team counters by roaming and push mid or 3 man gank top and kill top lane and take that turret

if you are to lazy to react and do something to get even or take advantage then you deserve to lose

Dryditch1 votes

Again, that requires a coordinated team that doesn't suck. Two players in bot lane getting dove does not guarantee that their teammates will go and do the intelligent thing.

In other words, the adc and support are punished for the uselessness of their team.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

then everyone needs to get better

instead of crying and bitching learn , adapt and get better

Dryditch1 votes

I'll make sure to tell my bronze as fuck teammates to stop being bad.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

but the OP and another person that posted are gold or higher ... and yes whats wrong with GETTING BETTER?

Dryditch1 votes

There's nothing wrong with getting better. My point is that the current meta is such that if bot lane gets fucked and your randomly matched teammates have shit map awareness/game sense (which is pretty fucking common down in bronze), it absolutely destroys your chances of coming back into the game unless someone throws.

In other words, individual skill is no longer accounted for in this game if your jungle is trash.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

so the team that is smart enough and coordinated enough to do the 3 man or 4 man rotation bot to force 1st turret should be penalized cuz others are worst them them ?

Dryditch1 votes

The team that's smart and coordinated enough to do a 3-4 man dive should get an advantage... it shouldn't be tower, dragon, and permanent lane control.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

that is what the game is about ... its about map control... its about objectives ... to think it is about anything else is wrong

so if they pressure the map and take control of it by doing something high risk then YES that is the REWARD

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

but if the enemy does that then your team needs to be just as smart and coordinated to pressure mid or top...

do you never watch pro games? see the rotations , lane swaps etc ?

i already explained this...

vOmvbrawfU1 votes

My only thing is why didn't you ward far enough out to see them coming? Then your team could hard push another lane, maybe get a kill, and you can try to shove the wave right quick...if it doesn't work you could just lose tower. Or set up a counter gank.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

that would take effort and thinking... when they just wanna mash buttons and win no matter what the enemy picks. builds, or what strategy they use

Rivuo1 votes

{quoted}

My only thing is why didn't you ward far enough out to see them coming? Then your team could hard push another lane, maybe get a kill, and you can try to shove the wave right quick...if it doesn't work you could just lose tower. Or set up a counter gank.

I mean there are posts by challenger and lcs players on reddit saying the same thing.. obviously they got to challenger by not warding so.

Enselus2 votes

I don't understand the complaint here

RookPusher1 votes

Your support was that bad, huh?

Rivuo3 votes

{quoted}

Your support was that bad, huh?

Yeah my support couldn't stop 4 people from fucking me yeah.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

where was your mid and jungler?

sounds like a lack of pressure or awareness

if you lose bot like that then they should lose top or mid but did your top laner , mid and jungle sit around with their hands in their pants not doing anything ?

themachamp1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r7titVYz,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-01-02T00:34:17.612+0000)

where was your mid and jungler?

sounds like a lack of pressure or awareness

if you lose bot like that then they should lose top or mid but did your top laner , mid and jungle sit around with their hands in their pants not doing anything ?

Some mid and junglers don't know where bot is :(

RookPusher1 votes

Well, he shouldn't be expected to, but the two of you and a tower should be able to hold them long enough until the calvary arrives.

dominusx1 votes

yeh the supports can stop me from ghost ulting down their adc with red smite as olaf and heca. adc players are trash. but the fiesta is even more trash atm.

RookPusher1 votes

Unless they're the most well-oiled machine, and you can't clear the minion wave quick enough for the tower to refocus, I don't think it's as inevitable as you're making it out to be.

dominusx1 votes

personally idgaf i play top to ignore all the nonsence and just tp to clean up shit. but since my secondary is jungle its easy as fuck to dive ppl bot.

18 NAKED COWB0YS1 votes

went top as riven .

enemy top got first gank. they get kill .

enemy top wins lane now .

junglers are balanced !!!!!!

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

still losing on riven i see

18 NAKED COWB0YS1 votes

still being a tool on the forums i see.

havent played ranked in 2 weeks much less the game.

came back today from the 2 week break to a teemo adc with grasp going 0-5 who then rage quit.

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=18 NAKED COWB0YS,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r7titVYz,comment-id=000300000000,timestamp=2017-01-02T00:54:15.892+0000)

still being a tool on the forums i see.

havent played ranked in 2 weeks much less the game.

came back today from the 2 week break to a teemo adc with grasp going 0-5 who then rage quit.

Yeah this dude really is a troll.. his replies are all extremely biased

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

bias?

bias cuz i say your team should get mid or top when ur dove 4 bot?

man plz

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r7titVYz,comment-id=00030000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-02T01:02:38.625+0000)

bias?

bias cuz i say your team should get mid or top when ur dove 4 bot?

man plz

Lets see what rank you are.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

as i have stated over and over im not ranked

i dont care to play rank

so seeing what rank i am proves nothing neither does the rank you are

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r7titVYz,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-02T01:13:41.961+0000)

as i have stated over and over im not ranked

i dont care to play rank

so seeing what rank i am proves nothing neither does the rank you are

You dont play ranked so you have yet to first hand experience what the fuck is happening in the game.

No norms dont count.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

lol its the same game

the same shit happens

rank isnt anything special

now you say im bias but you just highlighted your bias

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=r7titVYz,comment-id=000300000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-01-02T01:15:55.627+0000)

lol its the same game

the same shit happens

rank isnt anything special

now you say im bias but you just highlighted your bias

No, it's not the same game.

I've done adc soraka and got S+ 3 times in a row. going over 20 kills

I will never try that in ranked.

Ever

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

cuz you no fun

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

man i learned from you... i see what the community is like and follow suit cuz to do anything else would be troll

dominusx1 votes

number 1 tip for playing riven. Dont play Riven.

Who is Taliyah1 votes

As a Taliyah main, I definitely love this meta. Using my ult and roam early to snowball botlane. Others are complaining about this meta, but people that play roaming champion love it.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

its nothing new , pro teams have used the strategy for seasons now

where they double jungle roam bot , 4 man bot with jungle and top push 1st turret take drag and the enemy team roams mid with jungle or top or goes top with jng and mid kill top lane and take that turret

happens every game

PermabannedGaren1 votes

{quoted}

Enemy team gets first tower blood

Lost dragon

Lost my sums

Riot : 4 man bot is fine!!

It's what ADC mains deserve.

They are playing the only class that is nearly (I say nearly purely because of Ziggs) completely required 100% of the time in every game.

You don't deserve any agency with how the game goes.

Rivuo1 votes

{quoted}

It's what ADC mains deserve.

They are playing the only class that is nearly (I say nearly purely because of Ziggs) completely required 100% of the time in every game.

You don't deserve any agency with how the game goes.

Supports go through the same thing.

:]

Faie1 votes

Riot has clearly said that they don't like how some tower dives happen and they want to do something about it.

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