Veigar's Kit needs to change [LONG POST]

Crett··3 votes·957 views

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Veigar's issue has never been one of power level. He's already made the baseline. No matter how much love Riot gives him in his current state, it won't fix the issue a lot of Veigar players are having.

Veigar isn't weak, no mistake about that, but at the same time, Veigar isn't fine to me. His kit FUNCTIONS. I don't think he lives up to his character in his current state.

His main problems lie in his E, but not directly; His reliance on this ability to set up his pattern (which completely destabilizes if he can't land it, leading to awkward stare downs over cage walls and fumbled Ws, wasted mana) makes his other abilities seem dysfunctional. If he lands this ability, he instantly becomes reliable, allowing him to blow you to smithereens with impunity. This is why he sometimes seems like such a great champion. But he just isn't fun this way, not for me

He can do some nice zoning and his teamfight potential is high, (VERY high) but his gameplay pattern feels like just way too much mispotential not to be slightly upset about.

He shouldn't be centered around his cage, either. It's a strength of his, and he can use it for teamfighting, zone control, chasing, self defense, but the real changes need to happen to the REST of his kit at this point. NOT his E.

He could be more fun to fight, and he could be more fun to play. It's not a question of how GOOD he is.

A villain shouldn't be so one-dimensional. His cage should just be a tool he employs, not a defining factor of his trades and an unreliable crutch he cowers behind. Beating Veigar should be about playing his game. But how can we make this fun for BOTH players (as well as in teamfights), while maintaining his fantasy AND keeping him a viable pick?

There's really no sense in arguing his E change; it needed to happen, and his problem isn't in his E. It's that he relied on it for the rest of his pattern. This means to me, that we should look at how we can improve Veigar's kit as a whole. I think it's possible that his whole kit aside from E needs to be reworked. Overhauling an outdated design doesn't work, because the original design had a different vision and playstyle in mind. meaningfully tweaking it can only break it one way or another (see Ryze Kassadin and Olaf)

Or it's possible he doesn't need a rework, and will suddenly feel fine after a few buffs. Entirely possible I'm just rambling but the issues aren't as prevalent as I thought they were. IF ANYTHING, he's gotta lose the AP ratio on his ultimate. That's power that can be added somewhere else

4 Comments

CasterGilgamesh2 votes

well riot gutted him because of support lol....when most of the mobile assassins were still strong

grimphoenix1 votes

or they could just take the delay off the E, make him good and fun again

Crett1 votes

only fun for veigar. and honestly his cage is a lot cooler as a cage than a point and click stun

i think there's potential to make veigar more fun than before

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

The thing is he's only strong against idiots, as 75% of his kit can easily miss if the enemy has a brain. His current state is that of an incomplete rework, so unless they finish the rework by actually addressing his kit's issues rather than continuing to frontload his fucking Q, Veigar will not be in a better state. Calling any buff to his Q a buff to his character is like saying increasing his AD per level is a buff.

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