Two Junglers

McKeifus·Apr 5, 2016·1 votes·1,129 views

Could you run two champs in the jungle, invade enemy jungle early, gank enemy jungler, collapse on mid, etc? Has anyone ever tried this? Does it work?

11 Comments

ZitoshiApr 5, 20162 votes

I did something similar once, if we had stuck together during invades, it would have been fine, but he decided to steal MY camps instead, and when he went to invade if i tried to help he would disconnect -_-

SoloQ problems.

McKeifusApr 5, 20161 votes

I feel like this could be really great, or absolutely terrible.

BeldairApr 5, 20161 votes

Not enough camps to support 2 junglers on a team.

McKeifusApr 5, 20161 votes

See above. Not 2 junglers in team jungle, invade and feed off enemy jungle.

YCitizenSnipsYApr 5, 20161 votes

This is at best putting bot lane into a 2v1 or at worst giving somebody a 1v0. Also I don't know if you have ever had experience taken by someone leashing, but that generally puts a jungler behind. Now imagine if that is being done on purpose because there are two of you. Even if you try to stay on opposite sides of the jungle you still aren't getting as much ex as the solo junlger and you still have a lane on the enemy team free farming.

McKeifusApr 5, 20161 votes

The point is to feed off of enemy jungle, and make up the difference with kill gold from ganking enemy jg and early ganks on mid.

SwiftKitten88Apr 5, 20161 votes

i tried it in a bot games becuase we both wanted jungle

and what i found is that the person on thier jungle side has to spend so much time walking to thier side of the jungle it donest work.. esapilyl at early levels if you cant do a full side leashless clear

you might be able to split it in half top and bottom wise and have 1 person start red and the other start blue.

but you still get the issue of whoever job it would be been to collect the camps that the enemy jungler already got, they just get left too far behind.

i dont think there is any real way of making this work.

and then we have the issue of what would happen if THEY also choose two jugnlers? there arn't enough jungle camps for three players let alone four

all they would be doing would be low level fights in the jugnle fighting over camps and probably have people leaving lanes to help them and it would be utter chaos

Wizard of NozsFeb 6, 20191 votes

This is how you do it. Early game, the jungle needs to be split. Each jungle gets half of the map. First their buff and then the buff on the enemy team. The jungles have to split the map up which means one gets bot lane like a support and the other has top lane. When they constantly roam to mid to gank together. Otherwise, when their jungle is down and they arent ganking, they act as support.

For this to work, you need one main jungle and a cc jungler. Something like warrick and zyra or even a jungler and a tank. The goal here is to have one jungle getting the kills and getting stronger while the support jungler ccs. This will put that support jungler in much the same posistion as if he or she were still in support lane full time.

With the right type of planning, this works out pretty well. Its hard to stop if the other team isnt aggressive early. Ganks usually happen extremely quick once the junglers start meeting up in mid.

The issue here is that bot needs to be able to lane under tower by themselves at certain points early game. Not a huge problem for some but if you can do it, will level much quicker. The jungler should only be gone while disposing of the jungle fodder and ganking.

Once you start shutting down the enemy jungler, its game over.

LordEndariusApr 5, 20161 votes

So here's the catch:

Obviously, there aren't enough camps for two junglers. No bloody way is that going to work: you can't just farm up two junglers. However, you already know this. Perhaps the best solution is to not think of it as two junglers, but as an assassin/support roaming the map and devastating buttholes. Obviously, best case scenario you've taken someone from bot lane, so throw someone down there who either has a stupid strong laning phase and can help in ganks (pantheon, morganna, illaoi), and gank all the damn time.

When it comes down to it, gank-style junglers might be the best solo bot laners. Think about it: Maokai can poke and zone, and if they push and you gank, Mao can tank in with relatively low gold and guarantee a kill. The primary concern bot lane is getting zoned out of XP. Send someone down there who has no problem farming under turret and can help in a gank.

The biggest problem you'll face with this is bot lane freezing lane. If they do that, you're kinda boned because they'll zone out your bot laner and you'll basically be 4v5 all game.

Recently, Riot put up DiscoHeat's video where he went bot lane with Rengar/Thresh. That might be one of your best bets for duo jungle. Snag two camps early to get level 2 on both of them, find the jungler and RUIN HIS DAY.

You horrible, horrible person.

McKeifusApr 5, 20161 votes

This is along the lines of what I was thinking. Basically you have left jungle and right jungle. Tracking down the enemy jungler early would be important, but bot and top can scout and invade to find their starting spot and then infer from there. Timing would be important. I think you would make up for any money shortcomings with extra ganks. AND if things went poorly, one of the junglers can just run to bot lane and soak XP for a while.

TheThundersRoarApr 5, 20161 votes

Yes, I've done this a lot. Not willingly, though. Goddamn insta-lockers. And the fact that they are such dimwits means you cannot coordinate it and make it work.

Anyway, with friends, I'm sure it'd work, but you need a lot of coordination and you need to know exactly where the enemy jungler is, especially on his first couple of clears.

A lot of it would depend on clearing the enemy jungle/killing him, and so if you start on the wrong side and walk into an empty enemy jungle, or split up and waste time, it'd be bad, since the enemy jungler is farming exp faster than either of you. Even worse, if you screw up the invade/walk over a ward and have the laners collapse on you, you're probably in deep shit, whether you make it out or not. Not to mention your ADC is getting zoned out and soon they will dive him if they have an aggressive support.

BUT, if your ADC is a good player, you are aware of the enemy jungler's position through wards/game knowledge, split your exp well, and coordinate the invades/counterjungling, you're gonna snowball it for sure. And ganks are gonna be oh-boy if you're ahead, especially bot and especially counter-ganks. Free double kills.

Try it!