@Riot: AP Fighter Itemization could be solved by introducing an AP Atmas and a Hextech Titanic

DW Diana·8/20/2018, 8:27:08 PM·5 votes·2,237 views

Hi All,

So we all know that AP bruisers/divers/juggernauts are missing out on several damaging items that AD version get. The strength in these items are the fact the scale Passively, that is to say the grow in power over time without requiring further investment in damage items, while the AP variants require further investment in AP. item 3078 for example scales of Base AD, meaning that as you level and your base AD increases so does the on hit damage it throws out. Meanwhile it's AP counterpart item 3100 relies heavily on you continuing to build AP. Both item 3748 and item 3053 scale with HP, meaning that stacking tanky items after building these two allows their damage to scale passively as well, while item 3053 also scales on base AD like item 3078.

As a lot of AP items naturally have HP built in, I don't see why the same premise couldn't be used with Atma to allow a similar scaling on Lichbane.

Atma's Reckoning item 3105 + item 1026 + item 1028 + 750 gold 3100 gold 40 Magic Resist 40 Armour 300 HP 50AP Passive: Gain AP equal to 15% of bonus HP.

Melee only

So basically this is an AP version of Steraks. It works on giving Lichbane additional damage scaling off your HP but forgoes the shield in favour of resistances.

Hextech Spellblade item 3145 + item 3067 + item 1052 + 715 gold 3000 gold 60 AP 500 HP 10% CDR UNIQUE Passive - Cleave: Basic attacks deal 5 + 1% of your maximum health as bonus physical damage to your target and 40 >+ 2.5% of your maximum health as physical damage to other enemies in a cone on hit. UNIQUE Active - Crescent: Cleave damage to all targets is increased to 40 + 10% of your maximum health as bonus physical >damage in a larger cone for your next basic attack (20 second cooldown).

This would be the AP version of Titanic Hydra, giving AP instead of AD and again scaling off HP in the same way.

At this point Lichbane would be giving you base AD scaling, plus AP scaling from Atma's, while Hextech Spellblade would be giving you a cleave in the same way titanic does that scales off HP. None of them have attack speed because they are reletively cheap, though it could be added to either.

A build on Diana for example could look like this: Lichbane, Atma's, Hextech Spellblade, Abyssal Mask, Randuin's Omen, Boots.

At this point Diana is suddenly a Bruiser/Diver like her AD counterparts instead of an assassin. Morde could also benefit from this, as could Elise. It would also open up AP Irelia again without her being essentially an assassin.

Anywho, I see this as the easiest way to allow lichbane to be used in a similar way to Triforce for those that really miss this hole in itemization. Let me know what you think :)

-- Loki --

29 Comments

Doseqis8/20/2018, 8:42:03 PM4 votes

I feel like this would just be built on things like Ekko or Fizz and just break them as opposed to the champs who these would be intended for.

Honestly there are only a couple intended AP bruisers in the game those being Cho and Galio and i imagine they would want it to stay that way, often times Bruisers are made attack damage so their auto attacks can provide more sustained damage without putting too much burst into a ability combo.

Quiet Dude8/20/2018, 8:32:37 PM3 votes

Don’t most AP fighters already have built in cleave?

Khristophoros8/20/2018, 9:15:22 PM2 votes

No this issue has to be fixed on the champ kits themselves. None of the "AP fighters" are healthy. All of them are actually burst assassins with low counterplay.

The worst offenders are Diana and Kassadin, and yes I know they aren't OP. The thing is, they are only kept in check by having an extremely shitty early game.

These champs will never build anything other than burst as long as their kits allow for it. There is no point to playing them as "AP fighters" when they can just 100-0 people instantly.

Infernape8/20/2018, 8:28:34 PM1 votes

And then make them melee only so mages cannot abuse them.

Frosted Tips8/20/2018, 8:38:57 PM1 votes

I like the ideas here. I made a similar post just over a week ago if you want to check it out here a link.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/4nA4BGWo-ap-fighters-are-missing-a-lot