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If Malzahar was reworked by the guy that made Yasuo

DW Diana··52 votes·15,644 views

Hi all,

So I had this thought, and feel free to downvote me (I know anyone playing Yasuo or who hates Malz will do so), that what if Malzahar was reworked to be more like Yasuo. The idea was given to me by a Yaśuo Main who will remain unnamed but will no doubt come on here to flame me the second he sees it.

So what if...?

Passive - Void Shift: Changed: Malzahar's shield now builds from negating 100% of one ability up to 100% of 4 abilities when his malefic visions is on an enemy champion or minion over a 4 second duration. No noticeable cooldown. Added: Malzahar gains double bonus AP from items built (effected by deathcap but not repeatably because THAT would be silly :P)

Q - Call of the void: Changed: Now stuns for 1 second.

W - Void Swarm: Added: Voidlings now have a Void Shield that blocks all oncoming projectiles (like a mini braum shield but they block every effect as well).

E - Malefic Visions: Added: While Malefic Visions is on an enemy champion or minion Malzahar gains the benefit of Ghost.

R - Nether Grasp: Nerfed: Can only be used on an enemy champion if they are stunned. Buffed (but in a really balanced way!): Damage increased to 200/300/400 (+250% AP), effects any stunned opponents near the target as well, and for 15 seconds after ulting Malzahar gains 50% magic penetration (stacks with all other effects like voidstaff, much like it does with conqueror and the new IE for Yasuo). Range also increased to 1400 from 700 and Cooldown reduced to 80 / 55 / 30 from 140 / 110 / 80

That sounds fair to play against right? :P

51 Comments

VICHEL CHAOS44 votes

Hi all,

So, I had this thought, and feel free to downvote me (I know anyone playing Malzahar or who hates Yasuo will do so), that what if Yasuo was reworked to be more like Malzahar. The idea was given to me by a certain god of the norse mythology who will remain unnamed but will no doubt come here to flame me the second he sees this.

So what if...?

Passive: When flow shield is available Yasuo is immune to all forms of crowd control.

Q: Also silences.

W: For every projectile blocked, spawns a Yasuoling which attacs the current attack target.

E: Puts a debuff on anything that Yasuo dashes through which deals 80-220 (+80% AD) damage over 4 seconds. If it dies with the debuff on, Yasuo gains 10% of his flow and the debuff propagates to the nearest enemy.

R: Now can be cast on any target regardless of them being previously knocked up, but ranged reduced to 700 to compensate. Also now also opens a wind vortex in the area under afected main target which deals 20% (+2.5% per 100 AD) max hp per second.

That sounds fair to play against right? :P

Would this be ok? -Yes, Malzahar is overpowered. -Ye, this would be fine on Yasuo!

DW Diana13 votes

[{quoted}](name=VICHEL CHAOS,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7l3OFtIt,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-05-10T14:12:27.538+0000)

Hi all,

So, I had this thought, and feel free to downvote me (I know anyone playing Malzahar or who hates Yasuo will do so), that what if Yasuo was reworked to be more like Malzahar. The idea was given to me by a certain god of the norse mythology who will remain unnamed but will no doubt come here to flame me the second he sees this.

No downvote necessary :P

So what if...?

Passive: When flow shield is available Yasuo is immune to all forms of crowd control.

Only took 90% of the damage, didn't give crit, didn't last 4 seconds. Hell I'm in!

Q: Also silences.

But no hard CC. Sounds good!

W: For every projectile blocked, spawns a Yasuoling which attacs the current attack target.

How about doesn't block projectiles at all but spawns 1 shottable WINDlings that do no damage execpt to minions?

E: Puts a debuff on anything that Yasuo dashes through which deals 80-220 (+80% AD) damage over 4 seconds. If it dies with the debuff on, Yasuo gains 10% of his flow and the debuff propagates to the nearest enemy.

No dash, speed reduced, 10% flow CD restored. Still sounding like one hell of a nerf xD

R: Now can be cast on any target regardless of them being previously knocked up, but ranged reduced to 700 to compensate. Also now also opens a wind vortex in the area under afected main target which deals 20% (+2.5% per 100 AD) max hp per second.

70% when converted to AD, can be broken by buying a repeated use item for 1300 that builds into a nice strong AP item with 10% spell vamp, 80AP and armour.

That sounds fair to play against right? :P

Also remember to nerf the rest of his abilities to the ground to compensate for the point and click stun

Would this be ok? -Yes, Malzahar is overpowered.

LOL!

-Ye, this would be fine on Yasuo!

OMG Riot please make these changes! Yasuo players the world over will slit their wrists and we'll be free of them! xD

Thanks for the great post :) Upvoted!

Melledoneus10 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Loki1987,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7l3OFtIt,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-05-10T14:21:26.093+0000)

Yasuo players the world over will slit their wrists and we'll be free of them! xD

That's a tad extreme. I would avoid saying things like this in the future if I were you. :/

Otherwise, very well-written.

DW Diana3 votes

{quoted}

That's a tad extreme. I would avoid saying things like this in the future if I were you. :/

Otherwise, very well-written.

Yeah i did wonder when I wrote it >.<

Red Wreckage1 votes

nice moderation lul. I got banned for calling a person who "prefers men" what they're usually called.

here this "nice free of salt" player is effectively celebrating/hoping for a genocide and not even a simple edit to his post.

ggwp

DW Diana1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Red Wreckage,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7l3OFtIt,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-11T11:11:26.574+0000)

nice moderation lul. I got banned for calling a person who "prefers men" what they're usually called.

here this "nice free of salt" player is effectively celebrating/hoping for a genocide and not even a simple edit to his post.

ggwp

I am actually pretty salt free. I'm also non-toxic. I just enjoy explaining other peoples outlooks to people that just don't get it.

Regarding the comparison between myself and you, if you used the word "Gay" as an insult, then you are being abusive. I on the other hand was neither insulting people not celebrating/hoping for genocide. I made a comment that was admittedly a little thoughtless but not going to cause anyone any actual harm (either physical or emotional) and left it unedited to as I feel when someone makes a mistake they should not just cover it up and pretend it didn't happen.

The moderator correctly reminded me that I should show restraint in future, which I replied that I was wondering about when I wrote it. It was a bit dark, but that's just the English sense of humor. We're sarcastic, self-deprecating and actually very nice when you learn to move past it :P

LetMeCarry19831 votes

[{quoted}](name=Red Wreckage,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7l3OFtIt,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2018-05-11T11:11:26.574+0000)

I got banned for calling a person who "prefers men" what they're usually called.

You got banned for calling someone a woman?

Melledoneus9 votes

[{quoted}](name=VICHEL CHAOS,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7l3OFtIt,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-05-10T14:12:27.538+0000)

The idea was given to me by a certain god of the norse mythology who will remain unnamed

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/godofwar/images/b/bd/Baldur.png/revision/latest?cb=20180426121030

"The Strang(l)er" strikes again.

HungryAngry2SPP3 votes

{quoted}

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/godofwar/images/b/bd/Baldur.png/revision/latest?cb=20180426121030

"The Strang(l)er" strikes again.

Sheamus from WWE (?)

Melledoneus1 votes

"I can't feel ANY of this!"

Velzard of Koz1 votes

W: For every projectile blocked, spawns a Yasuoling which attacs the current attack target.

Holy shit that would be OP. It's already pain in the ass to deal with one of them! And he'd get the ability to reporduce. EVIL!

LordGeovanni1 votes

The difference is that he exchanged Malzahars old spell effects and completely ignored E infinite dashing. You just added malzahar's effects to Yasou's.

kile1472 votes

TBH, that E actually sounds like the start of a cool ability. I could see a DoT on a dash being an interesting addition to a future kit.

SSShutTheDuckUp22 votes

Also: Casting Nethr Grasp will automaticaly place Malz outside turret range to give him outplay potential

DW Diana7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Awesomeasf ck,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7l3OFtIt,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-05-10T17:24:05.763+0000)

Also: Casting Nethr Grasp will automaticaly place Malz outside turret range to give him outplay potential

OMG how could I forget!?!?!?!?!? This is obviously needed! He'l be under-powered without it! =O

FrostQueensPlane8 votes

Nah it'd be more subtle and yet not subtle at all

Passive: Now cools off even when being damaged

Q: same

W: now gives malz 100 bonus ms on cast, also gives all his other abilites 20% more damage, also doubles malz's crits, also lowers all of malz's cooldown by 10/20/50%, also lets him drop water potions randomly when he walks through river

E: same

R: now a skillshot

oh did i mention he's manaless now, there you go, look i'm certainlyt

DW Diana1 votes

{quoted}

Nah it'd be more subtle and yet not subtle at all

Passive: Now cools off even when being damaged

Damn! Why didn't I think of that? :O

W: now gives malz 100 bonus ms on cast, also gives all his other abilites 20% more damage, also doubles malz's crits, also lowers all of malz's cooldown by 10/20/50%, also lets him drop water potions randomly when he walks through river

Malz crits? Nah just make the voidlings crit and do an additional 200% damage (400% total+passive AP bonus) to people effected by malefic visions

R: now a skillshot

Nah, point and click like Yasuo. Otherwise he might miss it!

oh did i mention he's manaless now, there you go, look i'm certainlyt

Manaless! Ofc course! And when Malefic Visions pings to another champion he can regain some hp. Nothing stupid ofc. Say 10% of his max hp?

Risen297 votes

You forgot to work unlimited mobility in there somewhere.

DW Diana4 votes

{quoted}

You forgot to work unlimited mobility in there somewhere.

Ghost while Malefic Visions is up, that way its limited to when there's minions and champions in the lane, which apparently makes it "Situational" according the the Yaśuo Main I mentioned in my OP. He still hasn't commented either! I'm really surprised and a little impressed. A Yaśuo Main with self control :O

warpenguin5555 votes

You forgot a defining feature of Certainly T champions, the hand holding mechanics. Let add one for you.

Casting Nether Grasp refreshes the cool down of Void Shift.

Mooninites5 votes

You mean CertainlyT? Ya, the dude is the worst game designer I've ever seen in the 20+ years I've played video games. He's like the stereotypical 12 year old wanna-be game designer that designs the most broken shit. He has no business having a job

Hethalean3 votes

Pretty sure if it was made by CertainlyW, his W wouldn't just block projectiles because it needs a way to make the swarms. Anything it blocks would be turned into a swarm minion thing (whatever they are called)

DW Diana2 votes

{quoted}

Pretty sure if it was made by CertainlyW, his W wouldn't just block projectiles because it needs a way to make the swarms. Anything it blocks would be turned into a swarm minion thing (whatever they are called)

Oooo i like this idea!

WiegrafOfValor3 votes

You forgot to add a second passive, op champions need 2 passives bro.

Lucky for you, I got you cover!

Malz second Passive:

After AA an enemy champion 3 times, his 4th hit will stun, silence and knock up(adding this part here just to make sure your opponents don't counter you by building tenacity) the enemy plus gain more range depending how many AP you build.

DW Diana1 votes

{quoted}

You forgot to add a second passive, op champions need 2 passives bro.

Lucky for you, I got you cover!

Malz second Passive:

Nah dude I had that covered from the start!

**Passive - Void Shift:

  1. Changed: Malzahar's shield now builds from negating 100% of one ability up to 100% of 4 abilities when his malefic visions is on an enemy champion or minion over a 4 second duration. No noticeable cooldown. Added: Malzahar gains double bonus AP from items built (effected by deathcap but not repeatably because THAT would be silly :P) **
Red Wreckage3 votes

I came looking for some salt

and I found salt.

Ariel the Cruel2 votes

This seems more like you just want Malz or Yasuo to be OP. They're both annoying already. Can't you just be happy with that?

DW Diana1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ariel the Cruel,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7l3OFtIt,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2018-05-10T18:49:03.717+0000)

This seems more like you just want Malz or Yasuo to be OP. They're both annoying already. Can't you just be happy with that?

Nah, i really don't. I want malz to be reworked/reverted, but that's just to make him viable/fun again (a lot of us who mained him miss the old malz, whether it be the 2016 pre rework version (AD Malz: Maple and Meddler have already talked about bringing this back potentially), or the 2016 reworked version. The one thing we ALL agree on is he currently feels crap lol).

The fact is I see the same guy complain about how champions are broken all the time while playing Yasuo as his main. With the latest craze of "hate on Yasou" he really went overboard telling people that Yasuo is in fact needing buffs, so wanted to explain to him, and every other Yasuo main out there, WHY people are a little frustrated with Yasuo as a champion, and why they think he is overtuned, and the easiest way I could think of (Beyond the million or so posts about how Yasuo is overtuned, pro players that have commented on it, or statistics that clearly show him with a 60% ban rate in the high elo, all of which they have pointedly ignored) was to suggest a rework of a champion that used to hard-counter Yasuo, using Yasuo's own abilities as a base.

Hopefully some of them read it and though "Wow, that is actually a little crazy. I never thought of it that way." If not then at least I've had a little fun :P

Edit: Also guys please don't downvote the quoted. Clearly they didn't understand the humour

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

Too weak. His new ult would also have to inexplicably move himself out of tower range whenever you used it on someone underneath their tower.

DW Diana2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Big Piece,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7l3OFtIt,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2018-05-10T18:58:14.827+0000)

Too weak. His new ult would also have to inexplicably move himself out of tower range whenever you used it on someone underneath their tower.

Yeah someone already commented on that. I must admit I forgot. My bad :'(

SkeltzAlukard2 votes

They still didn't fire CertainlyT? LOL.

DracosKasu1 votes

Nah much better R idea.

Nether Grasp: suppress the target for 3 sec if not interrupted then banish the hero into the void.

DW Diana1 votes

{quoted}

Nah much better R idea.

Nether Grasp: suppress the target for 3 sec if not interrupted then banish the hero into the void.

Ooooo! I like it, but I was trying to make it like Yasuo's

ShiniXII1 votes

why are the boards always whining about the most stupid shit but then there is gnar with the MOST overloaded kit, like LITERALLY the MOST overloaded kit but they don't even care?

MetalGearTeemo1 votes

Just revert him. Accept your rework was a failure and return him to his original kit.

The original rework was neither asked for nor required by the community. All it did was destroy your support scene for the months after. All because you guys wanted LC$ mobility plays form Lee and Zed, and you'd already beaten viegar into the ground, and figured you'd take care of malz while you were in the area.

DW Diana1 votes

{quoted}

Just revert him. Accept your rework was a failure and return him to his original kit.

The original rework was neither asked for nor required by the community. All it did was destroy your support scene for the months after. All because you guys wanted LC$ mobility plays form Lee and Zed, and you'd already beaten viegar into the ground, and figured you'd take care of malz while you were in the area.

I agree. There's a Poll for it that i set up a few weeks ago which overwhelming showed people wanting him to change, and most wanting him to revert.

Spoofghoul1 votes

But the ult

i mean people already mentioned should move you out of tower range OR plot twist it makes the enemy tower help you kill the helpless bastard but also it should burp out a shield cuz why not

DW Diana1 votes

{quoted}

But the ult

i mean people already mentioned should move you out of tower range OR plot twist it makes the enemy tower help you kill the helpless bastard but also it should burp out a shield cuz why not

Well NOW we're getting silly :P <3

Nea1041 votes

"That guy" shouldn't work here and never should have :P

TonyTonyMordecai1 votes

In all honesty, it would be cool if Malzahar could affect multiple people with his Ghost Rider stare.

koshkyra1 votes

The numbers are busted as fuck and would need to be lowered but im fine with this

F1SHEYES1 votes

I just balanced the votes, 72/72. o_O

Puppet33r1 votes

w: voidlings now randomly dash through enemy targets(1 sec cd)

DW Diana1 votes

{quoted}

w: voidlings now randomly dash through enemy targets(1 sec cd)

Oooo i like that! Nice one!

woodvsmurph1 votes

You forgot to mention malzahar no longer needs mana and all basic spells are on a 2-4 sec cd. Just in case you miss the first time you use one.

Xilixer1 votes

the only problem i have with this is the ult. don't like the idea of his ult being tied to his Q when it is hard to land.

Packun Flower1 votes

you forgot one thing.

E - Malefic Visions Transfer range from target to target is now global.

50% damage increase with each successful transfer. stacks indefinetly.

Zullar1 votes

lmao

Nyarlathοtep

Changed: Now stuns for 1 second.

No no no. Its part of his thematic to have a strong silence.

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