Revert Malzahar?

DW Diana·May 1, 2018·46 votes·18,002 views

Ok so I've been seeing a Load of posts from players about Malz. I've seen suggested changes, buffs and rework ideas galore and even posted one myself, but it always seems to come back to the same thing 4 options: Leave him be, Revert him to the pre 2017 mini-rework, revert him to his 2016 pre-rework, or just rework the guy!

Have your vote! Hopefully with enough upvotes/poll votes riot will actually listen!

Personally I don't care which of them they choose as long as it's not leave him be, so will not vote at all.

Edit 1: Ok so I have to vote to see the Poll lol. I'm gunna vote for the Malz I knew and loved last year, but don't let that sway you! xD

Edit 2: Also see https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/Gl7coK0T-rework-morde For Morde

Edit 3: Gunna pop this in the OP now as it seems to be getting missed when people read through. **Note to everyone else, to keep this in the recent and therefore seen by most people, a small comment would be nice. Please try to refrain from commenting regarding each other's opinions though as this is a post for the Poll, not another massive discussion about what we want to see change. For that there are MANY other posts including the one that prompted this Poll: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/EtbeYxxP-can-i-bring-up-the-state-of-malzahar **

Edit 4: Wow 4 edits required for just one OP. Ok so for those that don't understand how a revert/rework works. Any changes would mean a change to the fundamental effects of the abilities, not that they would return to the old statistics that applied to them (damage, AP ratios etc). This would be balanced around the game NOW, as strangely the game has changed...

Cheers :)

144 Comments

warpenguin555May 1, 201815 votes

I think I'd like a rework best. While reverting him would be nice, it wouldn't fix the issue that he's a ult bot. I'd rather have a rework that lets him be useful with out his ult.

Iffy JarlMay 2, 20183 votes

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I think I'd like a rework best. While reverting him would be nice, it wouldn't fix the issue that he's a ult bot. I'd rather have a rework that lets him be useful with out his ult.

I disagree, if league is gnna be a game with a huge champion roster that is diverse we gtta have a few ult bots here and there

Ninja AssassinMay 1, 20185 votes

Where's the delete Malzahar option?

notice me Sin piMay 2, 20184 votes

that's under "Rework" category. "Rework" includes both [modernizing a champ] and [delete Malzahar and make a new champion named Malzahar].

Ninja AssassinMay 2, 20181 votes

I mean, everything that "malzahar mains" like about malzahar is what I hate about him. I'd say just delete him and make a completely new champ.

DW DianaMay 2, 20185 votes

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I mean, everything that "malzahar mains" like about malzahar is what I hate about him. I'd say just delete him and make a completely new champ.

If Riot deleted every champion people didn't like playing against, there wouldn't be any champions.

hhaavviikkMay 1, 20184 votes

pre-rework malzahar better because you could actually play him as AP, AD or hybrid due to his voidlings actually being threatening, currently they are scary only if you lack AOE since in team fights they die within a split second due to how their health now works, they're shit

Teridax68May 2, 20183 votes

In my opinion, the most basic goal a rework needs to achieve is that it should aim to meaningfully improve a champion. Depending on the time and resources at hand, it doesn't have to be perfect, but at the very least it should be clear that the champion got improved in some manner. This very low bar is, unfortunately, not one I think Malzahar's rework has reached. The purported goal behind his rework was to give him more counterplay and give him a place in a modern League, but the champion has, at best, not improved in either aspect, and at worst has become even worse. Malz was already infamous for being low on counterplay before his rework, but became even more frustrating to deal with afterwards, namely because of his passive. He briefly became more popular when he was grossly overpowered, but the moment he got nerfed down to normal, he fell back into obscurity (though he continues to frustrate even then). Many players have also complained that he's become more clunky to play, namely due to his awkward minion-summoning W, so it's likely his rework did not even make him feel better to play. Because none of the criteria for a successful rework seem to have been met with Malzahar's changes, I think a revert would be appropriate.

To those saying that Malzahar was toxic pre-rework: this is entirely true, and in an ideal situation, Malz would be better served with another rework that would properly improve his kit, resolving his long-standing issues while making him feel much more satisfying to play, as well as competitively unique and valuable. However, that kind of work takes time and resources, whereas a rework is comparatively far more economical, and more easily achievable in the meantime. Moreover, Malz is already unhealthy now, so even if he gets reverted to another unhealthy kit, it is unlikely that he would become unhealthier in the process (in fact, he may even become less toxic). The champion's history has proven that he was easier to balance pre-rework than afterwards, so if nothing else a revert would leave him in a stable spot in the short-term, while we all collectively wait for a proper GU/VGU.

ŚhunpoMay 2, 20183 votes

At least with his pre-rework he needed to actually combo you.

GeckMay 2, 20183 votes

I was an old malz main for basically my entire league history, i managed to reach #74 best malz in the world on lolking before the rework took place, after which i didn't really feel like playing anymore since the champion that i loved to play the most was essentially gone. There are many people here who call pre-rework malzahar an ult bot, however this was never the case. Malzahar was what i liked to call a "utility mage", his Q was the longest silence in the game at max level, his W was % health damage (and also was able to be used as his longest range ability when you needed that 1 last tick of damage to kill an escaping enemy), his E did much more damage and his ult was a risk/reward ability (locking yourself in place along with an enemy, hence it must be used correctly when not 1v1) and his voidling could be directed with much more ease and used to block skillshots by spawning it in the same direction (i think i've heard that you can do this again?), along with a strew of other useful applications. Pre-rework Malz to me was absolutely perfect, i loved playing him and i miss it dearly.

inplaneMay 1, 20182 votes

I'd say rework the guy based on his previous concept. A.K.A., not a summoner who relies on janky AI to do 90% of the work for him.

Though I doubt Riot will put many resources into him, so I'd say revert to 2016. His old kit simply needed a power redistribution. His W felt worthless outside of comboing with R. He's more of a Battlemage, so give his old W more interaction between him and his enemies.

IncognonymousMay 2, 20182 votes

Bring back AD Malz, the most arbitrary of casualties.

Onkel MalteMay 2, 20182 votes

To be honest he's a tier 2 rework candidate. His identity as a Seer and Dark Mage is all lost and was never really emphasized; and thanks to his new "Minionmancer" identity which - if we're being honest - just doesn't work out.

Sadly it will take some time until we reach the tier 2 candidates but I won't give up hope for my favorite Void Mage.

warmcorntortillaMay 2, 20182 votes

GOD please revert him. I do NOT agree at ALL that he was previously an ult bot. First of all, LOTS of champions are more ultimate-dependent than Malzahar. There are LOTS of champions whose ults are a HUGE part of their kit (Annie???) but are never called 'ult bots'. It's insulting to act like everybody who mained Malzahar, especially in higher elos, just ulted and nothing else. His ult was a great way to get a kill, but it wasn't guaranteed, and you had to know when to use it.

I liked the champion the way he was before. I think he played out his fantasy as being the harbinger of a Void doom. Now, he's basically a Pokemon trainer, which does not fulfill his gameplay fantasy at all. I used to play him so much, and now, I barely play him at all. Before, every single part of Malzahar's kit was, individually, mechanically easy, but to get the most out of it, you had to know exactly when and how to use it. He wasn't a stat-check, but he rewarded gameplay knowledge and playing carefully. He wasn't very viable in professional play, but that's okay, because neither was, like, Garen. He wasn't easy to play in low elo, he was okay in higher tiers, and was never a balancing issue.

Just because his kit wasn't flashy or 'cool' doesn't mean it didn't have its place. His kit was unique and had a playstyle no other champion had. Now he's just another perma-shove waveclear go-bot-and-gank mage. And even that guaranteed gank isn't enough to make him fun to play.

The worst part was the removal of his percent HP AOE basic ability. That was a staple of a late game mage, and he scaled gorgeously into the lategame. I mostly used his ult as peel for myself or ADC. Now, lategame, he can't do anything, because his ult by itself does no freaking damage. When he kills you with a ton of voidlings, it feels skill-less on both sides. Getting killed by him? Not any fun. Killing as him? Not any fun. Every iteration of him post-rework has been toxic. Those voidlings have got to go. Revert, revert, revert.

Except I actually like the new interaction with his q refreshing his e. That can stay. Everything else should get reverted, tho.

DW DianaMay 2, 20182 votes

OK so I've linked this on Dev Corner and asked them to respond. I will continue to do so going forward. The more poll votes the better.

ZT XperimentorMay 1, 20181 votes

I'd add mordekaiser to that list; rework was complained about by both players and opponents, then never picked after being gutted, the only improvement to his kit in the rework was his passive shield.

DW DianaMay 1, 20184 votes

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I'd add mordekaiser to that list; rework was complained about by both players and opponents, then never picked after being gutted, the only improvement to his kit in the rework was his passive shield.

I'll do a post for him with a poll, but this one is specifically for Malzahar. Thank you for your reply though :)

ZT XperimentorMay 1, 20181 votes

Fair enough, didn't mean to come across rude, you're welcome.

DW DianaMay 1, 20181 votes

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Fair enough, didn't mean to come across rude, you're welcome.

No dude, not in the slightest. Was just saying I'd do another one for morde :)

ZT XperimentorMay 2, 20181 votes

I gotcha initially, and was checking since text doesn't always come across as intended :)

DW DianaMay 2, 20182 votes

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I gotcha initially, and was checking since text doesn't always come across as intended :)

Yeah I get that. No worries =D

AseraanMay 1, 20181 votes

Make his ult a warwick like skillshot expect he should screaming "GIMMI TITIES!!!!" than i would say he is not a fking toxic point and click fk you champ.

Mataka TekMay 7, 20182 votes

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Make his ult a warwick like skillshot expect he should screaming "GIMMI TITIES!!!!" than i would say he is not a fking toxic point and click fk you champ.

And how is that any different from Veigar's Instant Damage ult with ZERO chance of counter?

DunkmasterDennisMay 1, 20181 votes

Make the ult a skillshot

DW DianaMay 1, 20182 votes

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Make the ult a skillshot

And then he gets to move during it? Also did you vote or just comment?

Daddy Tie Me UpMay 2, 20181 votes

Why would he get to move during it? Ww has to hit skillshot why shouldnt malzahar.

DW DianaMay 2, 20182 votes

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Why would he get to move during it? Ww has to hit skillshot why shouldnt malzahar.

Ww heals from his ult. Also he's a tanky melee champion not a squishy mage. Though by all means vote rework if you feel this is the best option.

Daddy Tie Me UpMay 2, 20182 votes

Exactly, ww is melee champion that has to hit skillshot, why would malzahar have the benefit of movement when he is ranged?

DW DianaMay 2, 20181 votes

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Exactly, ww is melee champion that has to hit skillshot, why would malzahar have the benefit of movement when he is ranged?

Ok not gunna break my own rules on turning this into a massive conversation to discuss in detail the issues with malz. This is a thread for the poll to show to riot what the majority of people want regarding him. Lets just say there's about 50 forum posts out there that answer your questions including the one now linked in the OP. I'll let you go search them out :)

Daddy Tie Me UpMay 2, 20181 votes

What malzahar needs is to be removed. Even if they tried to rework him, there isnt single spell in malzahars kit that isnt toxic. Silence for 2.5 seconds with huge nuke? Remember lelbanc? Yeah. Minions? Zyra hello? His cancer? His ult. They literally cant keep a single spell he has right now, he had before rework, if they want to make fun and fair champion. Either they keep him nerfed to shit just like he should be, rework him to the point when he isnt a champion you guys "love" or buff him for 2 weeks and then nerf him again to oblivion. Noone wants to see more malzahar. Not adcs, not bruisers, not mages, not assasins. Maybe supports but I do not consider opinions of support players valid because they play supports.

Beacon AcademyMay 2, 20182 votes

Bruh... I can hold my tongue only for so long while you cry for skillshot ults...

#All the while your top three champions are Camille, Vi, and Caitlyn...

#They all have target ults!!!

Is it fun to have someone jump in your face and then trapped in a cage?

Is it fun to be laning and all of a sudden they can CC you cause a Vi came out and target Ulted you?

Is it fun to step on traps on all over the place and get bullied via range?

And you wanna talk about toxic kits.

Daddy Tie Me UpMay 2, 20181 votes

First of all, I do not play solo que on my main account anymore, my top three champions are Ahri, Tryndamere and Camille now, second of all Camille has to literally walk up to you to melee range, in order to ult you. Vis ult has windup (depending on the distance) so long, you can zhonyas it, your support can shield, you can flash over wall to safety, you can put Vi in shitty position while she is travelling, not to mention several bugs that fuck her ult completely. And if you really think, you can compare Caits ult, that can be blocked, poses no threat unless you are already about to die to 1 auto, to ult that CCs you for 2+ seconds, that cannot be cleansed any other way than using quicksilver(in mid lane lol) then you are actually quite dumb. Also if you manage to step on Caits trap, after they made them even more visible even in bushes, you are really dumb. And yes please tell me what is toxic about kits of champs that cant just ult lock you with no warning or counterplay, unless you build specifically againist it. Quicksilver stash first item as top lane because enemy mid is malz and is probably gona roam? Quick silver stash on any ap mid? Againist camille, cait and vi you can at least build zhonyas which is generally good item choice.

Beacon AcademyMay 2, 20181 votes

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I have been fucked up many times by 's or 's smart enough to get this item.

Why?

Because your ult is now a waste if you choose to use it on them.

They get to do whatever it is they do in team fights and Malzahar will have to ult someone else.

And guess what happens if he ult someone else?

Charm or petrify.

What if I told you...

Camille has a gap closer with a stun? (Not to mention that basic attack shield afterwards)

Or that Vi can Q over walls before she ults? (With an Ahri or something there to CC after)

Or even that Malzahar can be CC'd out of his 700 range Ult so that it...

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poses no threat unless you are already about to die to 1 auto

Once again, everyone cries and whines saying QSS is the only way to survive a Malz ult...

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All dem people bitchen about R

+ Bone Plating + Second Wind

+ Keep distance (Mages)

+ Nullifying Orb

There are many options and combinations of items and runes you can use. Fuckin use them.

His damage is heavily nerfed compared to his pre-rework.

If you absolutely refuse to buy a QSS, just fuckin negate or mitigate his spells.

Stop being fuckin lazy and adapt your build.

Daddy Tie Me UpMay 3, 20181 votes

His damage is heavily nerfed compared to his pre-rework.

There is a good fucking reason for that.

TheorexMay 3, 20181 votes

Of everything Beacon put there. You replied to that. You clearly aren't a person to actually try to reason with and get to understand anything. Sigh

Daddy Tie Me UpMay 4, 20181 votes

What is there to discuss? His kit is toxic, only way to have fun to play vs Malzahar is when he is dc. Reworking wont do shit to him because every single spell he has is toxic. Malzahar is single worst designed champion in this game second only maybe to fizz or fiddlesticks.

GeckMay 4, 20181 votes

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What is there to discuss? His kit is toxic, only way to have fun to play vs Malzahar is when he is dc. Reworking wont do shit to him because every single spell he has is toxic. Malzahar is single worst designed champion in this game second only maybe to fizz or fiddlesticks.

"Oh no! I don't have the mental acuity to formulate an actual argument... i'll just spout some buzzwords and act like i know what i'm saying."

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

DW DianaMay 4, 20181 votes

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What is there to discuss? His kit is toxic, only way to have fun to play vs Malzahar is when he is dc. Reworking wont do shit to him because every single spell he has is toxic. Malzahar is single worst designed champion in this game second only maybe to fizz or fiddlesticks.

I feel the same way about a few champions, which is why I ban them. Malzahar is both fun to play, and easily countered. Malz mains are forever trying to find ways to keep him viable (despite riots best efforts) and the hatred we get from ignorant players shows both that we are succeeding and people need to actually learn to play against him. But then again as a Top/ADC player I suppose the last thing you'd want is a mage that can stop your rampage.

Edit: Thank you for your comment :P

To everyone else, sorry for this uncharacteristically belligerent response but I'm feeling a little annoyed at the moment and this post really didn't help me :P

DW DianaMay 4, 20181 votes

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"Oh no! I don't have the mental acuity to formulate an actual argument... i'll just spout some buzzwords and act like i know what i'm saying."

Thanks for sharing your opinion.

Wow that was far shorter and more to the point then my own response, and you even thanked him! Damn, I wish I'd done that lol. gg my friend, gg

Daddy Tie Me UpMay 5, 20181 votes

Malzahar isnt fun to play, that is coming from someone who dedicated 100 hours of his life maining this cancerous piece of shit pre rework. Malzahar doesnt need buffs or rework he is fine at the shit state he is now.

Daddy Tie Me UpMay 5, 20181 votes

Wanna discuss? alright lets discuss which ability from malzahars current or pre rework kit isnt toxic. I all start with his 2.4 seconds lasting silence with size of whole lane and insane ap rate. yeah nah. Okay what about his point click dot that chunks quarter of your health and you have absolutely no way to fight it? Meh not either. Ok what about his voidlings. If playing againist zyra heimer and yorick taught me something, it is that minion spawning mechanics are not fun, are not fair, are not interesting. And lastly his ult. A supression from safe range taht makes trading with him 1v1 impossible. HMMMMMMMMMM. Literally only ability in his kit that I do not consider toxic or unfair, was his void zone. However if you paired that with that insane combo aka dot silence zone and ult, if you were 1.8k hp adc or 4.5k tank it didnt matter. You died.

DW DianaMay 5, 20181 votes

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Malzahar isnt fun to play, that is coming from someone who dedicated 100 hours of his life maining this cancerous piece of shit pre rework.

You say isn't. That's present tense. Have you actually played him since, or even recently to any reasonable degree? Also 100 hours really isnt that much, most have done more than that in ranked, and I've easily done 3 times that in normals.

Malzahar doesnt need buffs or rework he is fine at the shit state he is now.

The fact to descible it as a shit state speaks to the opposite lol.

DW DianaMay 5, 20181 votes

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Wanna discuss? alright lets discuss which ability from malzahars current or pre rework kit isnt toxic. I all start with his 2.4 seconds lasting silence with size of whole lane and insane ap rate. yeah nah. Okay what about his point click dot that chunks quarter of your health and you have absolutely no way to fight it? Meh not either. Ok what about his voidlings. If playing againist zyra heimer and yorick taught me something, it is that minion spawning mechanics are not fun, are not fair, are not interesting. And lastly his ult. A supression from safe range taht makes trading with him 1v1 impossible. HMMMMMMMMMM. Literally only ability in his kit that I do not consider toxic or unfair, was his void zone. However if you paired that with that insane combo aka dot silence zone and ult, if you were 1.8k hp adc or 4.5k tank it didnt matter. You died.

Sigh Just because those were the EXACT stats back then doesn't mean they would be now. As I have said about 5 times on this thread alone, a revert would also require re-balancing to the current state of the game. Thus while he might have a q that silenced (like he still does...) it wouldn't be suitable to give him the same 2.4 second silence on it (which is why he doesn't now while there being no change to what the actual ability does between 2016 pre rework and now). What you are essentially complaining about is balancing, while the thread is about changing the fundamental abilities. Please stay on subject.

GeckMay 5, 20181 votes

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Malzahar isnt fun to play, that is coming from someone who dedicated 100 hours of his life maining this cancerous piece of shit pre rework. Malzahar doesnt need buffs or rework he is fine at the shit state he is now.

100 hours is nothing, i have spent thousands of hours playing malz pre-rework and it was always fun. I already know your story, you got destroyed by some malz player and you couldn't figure out why (spoiler, he was better than you). So you decided to play malz becuase you thought "well he beat me so this champion must be just super OP". You continued to get destroyed because you couldn't figure out the correct way to play him and decided "this champ is just fucking stupid, i hate him" It's very easy to understand your disposition, especially when you say something as infantile as..

he is fine at the shit state he is now.

Continuing to your next post though,

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Wanna discuss? alright lets discuss which ability from malzahars current or pre rework kit isnt toxic. I all start with his 2.4 seconds lasting silence with size of whole lane and insane ap rate. yeah nah. Okay what about his point click dot that chunks quarter of your health and you have absolutely no way to fight it? Meh not either. Ok what about his voidlings. If playing againist zyra heimer and yorick taught me something, it is that minion spawning mechanics are not fun, are not fair, are not interesting. And lastly his ult. A supression from safe range taht makes trading with him 1v1 impossible. HMMMMMMMMMM. Literally only ability in his kit that I do not consider toxic or unfair, was his void zone. However if you paired that with that insane combo aka dot silence zone and ult, if you were 1.8k hp adc or 4.5k tank it didnt matter. You died.

His Q, "size of whole lane and insane ap rate." - Why do you spout misinformation? it was not even close to the size of the lane, plus the fact that it's horizontally positioned from the caster, and the AP ratio was very average.
His E, "point click dot that chunks quarter of your health and you have absolutely no way to fight it?" - Heals, Lifesteal, This is possibly the dumbest of your arguments as there are barely any other abilities in the game than can be so easily negated. Here's an example for you and i'll use your own logic to display it.. "WOW this draven right click chunks a quarter of your health and there's absolutely no way to fight it???"
"if you were 1.8k hp adc or 4.5k tank it didnt matter. You died." - AGAIN with the misinformation. Unless malz was significantly ahead in levels or gold, he would not be 1 combo'ing anyone, even WITH ignite. You HAD to harass their health down at at least half if not a little more.

DW DianaMay 5, 20181 votes

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3 "if you were 1.8k hp adc or 4.5k tank it didnt matter. You died." - AGAIN with the misinformation. Unless malz was significantly ahead in levels or gold, he would not be 1 combo'ing anyone, even WITH ignite. You HAD to harass their health down at at least half if not a little more.

I did wonder at this bit. I've yet to find a 100-0 build for malz unless you count "get 5 kills and 2 levels ahead during laning phase and ask them not to buy anything MR/HP when they die". I can manage about 70% at the moment when running electrocute if i hit 6, get a lost chapter, and tp back before they leave lane and reach level 6, but even then i have to hit my q after and before the e w r combo which normally just burns a flash. Good to know he was always this way.

Daddy Tie Me UpMay 5, 20181 votes

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100 hours is nothing, i have spent thousands of hours playing malz pre-rework and it was always fun. I already know your story, you got destroyed by some malz player and you couldn't figure out why (spoiler, he was better than you). So you decided to play malz becuase you thought "well he beat me so this champion must be just super OP". You continued to get destroyed because you couldn't figure out the correct way to play him and decided "this champ is just fucking stupid, i hate him" It's very easy to understand your disposition, especially when you say something as infantile as..

100 hours is hella lot for someone who doesnt main single role for more than a week. And yes I got destroyed by malzahar. And I picked him. And I won. Effortlessly. Game after game. Then I quit that champion because he was boring. And started banning him because I saw no reason for champion with this braindead kit to be that strong. Just for comparisson, after I started maining leblanc because she destroyed me on lane as well, it took me whol two months to even start gaining elo in platinum.

Continuing to your next post though,

His Q, "size of whole lane and insane ap rate." - Why do you spout misinformation? it was not even close to the size of the lane, plus the fact that it's horizontally positioned from the caster, and the AP ratio was very average.

Not even close? Alright yeah its not quite size the lane but is quite close. Also in what world 80% ap ratio is very average? LeBlanc has 80% ap rate on her Q and you people cry all the time about her damage now. Not even mentioning the fact that unless you want to deal only half of that damage you have activate it. Which malzahar didnt have.

His E, "point click dot that chunks quarter of your health and you have absolutely no way to fight it?" - Heals, Lifesteal, This is possibly the dumbest of your arguments as there are barely any other abilities in the game than can be so easily negated. Here's an example for you and i'll use your own logic to display it.. "WOW this draven right click chunks a quarter of your health and there's absolutely no way to fight it???"

Heals, on which champions on mid? Life steal on mid? What are you talking about? And no draven is not going to chunk quarter of your health without fighting back. Malzahar could 100-0 once he got lvl 6 with no way of fighting back. NO, WAY.

"if you were 1.8k hp adc or 4.5k tank it didnt matter. You died." - AGAIN with the misinformation. Unless malz was significantly ahead in levels or gold, he would not be 1 combo'ing anyone, even WITH ignite. You HAD to harass their health down at at least half if not a little more.

Ahead? What do you mean? All you needed was Liandrys. Dont fucking deny that. W dealt 30% of targets MAX HEALTH WITH 0 FUCKING ABILITY POWER. 0.

DW DianaMay 5, 20181 votes

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Ahead? What do you mean? All you needed was Liandrys. Dont fucking deny that. W dealt 30% of targets MAX HEALTH WITH 0 FUCKING ABILITY POWER. 0.

As I can tell it was a static aoe right? Lasted 5 seconds? Liandrys does 2% max HP if slowed, 1% if not. That's over 3 seconds so that's 8% if you stand in it for 5 seconds? It's size was 400ish meaning you could move out of it in about 1.5 seconds on the average champion which means at max rank you'd take only 4% from liandrys and 12% from null zone. That's 16% total. What am I missing here?

GeckMay 5, 20181 votes

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Heals, on which champions on mid? Life steal on mid? What are you talking about? And no draven is not going to chunk quarter of your health without fighting back. Malzahar could 100-0 once he got lvl 6 with no way of fighting back. NO, WAY.

Healing and lifestealing being negated during team fights but you seem to think the game is only laning so here are some mid-laners that would heal - Vladimir Swain Nidalee Fiddlesticks and probably a few others i'm forgetting. Here's some mid-laners that would use lifesteal - Zed Yasuo Varus Talon

And no draven is not going to chunk quarter of your health without fighting back. Malzahar could 100-0 once he got lvl 6 with no way of fighting back. NO, WAY.

Malz can not and never could 100-0 at level 6 without a significant level+gold advantage, enough with the lies.

Ahead? What do you mean? All you needed was Liandrys. Dont fucking deny that. W dealt 30% of targets MAX HEALTH WITH 0 FUCKING ABILITY POWER. 0.

MAGIC DAMAGE PER SECOND: 4 / 4.5 / 5 / 5.5 / 6% (+ 1% per 100 AP) of target's maximum health At level 6 it's going to be level 1, so if someone were to stand in the pool for it's entire duration it would deal 20-21% Also the 0 AP thing, it added 1% per 100 AP, it was an item independent ability. It cost 90 mana at level 1 and had a static 14 second cooldown.

All of your complaints are grossly unjustified.

SpongebobIsLifeMay 2, 20181 votes

what is there to even revert? It's literallly the same iteration of malz but with a new passive nad the old one moved to his w. Both this malz and old malz have the same issues with low lane interaction, wouldn't be accomplishing anything.

With the other reverts they at least made sense. LB's damage was to delayed and dependent on hextech, Rengar's q was just clunky af and looked and felt weird to use.

Beacon AcademyMay 2, 20182 votes

Old Malzahars were actually aggressive... At least the people who mained him were...

People who didn't understand him like you were the passive safe players :/