How do people play top lane when these champions exist?

or you could buy will of the ancients on morgana 3 seasons ago...

Trust me, I'm aware of his weaknesses. Just saying it's not as simple as you make it sound. He's not bad just for losing lane to a Pantheon. It takes some finesse to not lose this matchup (depending on who you're playing).

Pantheon has no counterplay to the way his kit works. It's extremely binary, that's his greatest strength and weakness.

Early game is absolute hell, no matter how safe you play.

New Doran's will be a good option to deal with him.

Cloth and 4 hp pots don't do sht.

So basically be 20-40cs behind or die.

Go for a minion and be extremely close to dying

Why the fuck am I playing the game, shouldn't i just afk until Laning is over at that point?

I dunno guys, I played vs. a lot of mastery 7 Gold/Plat Pantheons even as Fiora and I have yet to lose a lane to him so miserably that he can end the game before I can outscale him. I personally find it really easy to play against him.

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1. Now, imagine you're playing vs. some competent Fiora.

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2. I wouldn't say they're better at 1v1. It may feel like it because they are 10x easier to play than Fiora.

Having more and stronger steroids helps friend.

3. You said Yi and Trynda can deal around 1k dmg (2k damage by Yi - possible, but definitely not against Fiora) in 1 second. As I said earlier, Fiora heals for 600 with every passive proc. Proccing her ult takes around 2 seconds late game, if you can play Fiora good. That means I heal for 1200 every second, and after that, I heal for 600 every second auto attack and 300-400 every second from my ult for 5 seconds.

Where exactly are your numbers coming from?

You have 115 healing from your passive. An auto attack would have to do 1,077.8 damage to heal you for 485 on top of that. Fiora doesn't build IE, so even her second E proc won't deal that much.

It also occurred to me that you erroneously believe that Death's Dance gives you healing based off of your true damage. This isn't even close to the case. The item heals you based off the physical damage dealt, your true damage doesn't factor into it at all.

The amount you're healing wouldn't even come close to 600 health per auto attack. Your healing would actually be relatively shitty since the physical portion of your damage would be baby small compared to Master Yi or Tryndamere due to your utter lack of pen and attack speed, as well as crit in Tryndamere's case.

Also, what is actually stopping Tryndamere or Yi from depriving Fiora ult stacks? Tryndamere can use his own far greater range mobility to keep her from getting the vitals furthest from her, making it a pure auto attack war, which he easily wins, for example.

4. I agree Yi has the highest DPS in the game. Fiora however has the right tools to sustain through that DPS and burst him down easily with her insane % max health true dmg.

No, this simply isn't the case. I've already proven that you grossly overestimate the amount your auto attacks heal you, and in terms of burst they can't even be compared. Yi with even an on-hit build bursts harder and wins the auto attack war.

5. I checked it especially for you - with full build, depending on what I build for the last 2 items, I have 2800-3200 health.

Post the build then, because this appears to be your main build:

Which doesn't provide nearly that much HP.

No build I see in your match history gives you 3,200 health. Not even the one with triforce and randuin's.

You'd have to stack three HP items to get that, and if you did that you'd have much lower AD, so your passive wouldn't actually be as strong as you've been making it out to be.

6. You forgot something. If Yi goes for that burst build, he actually does die in 4 autoattacks, while Fiora, having Death's Dance and 30% more life steal than him, can easily survive through that.

She frankly can't because, despite having lower lifesteal than her, his auto attacks do over twice as much damage. That's what you don't seem to understand lad. All that lifesteal is nice and all, but it amounts to less when the actual physical damage you're doing isn't all that high, at least compared to a crit builder like Yi or Tryndamere.

7. Dude I think you are missing something. Yi can deal 20% of Fiora's max health in 3-4 auto attacks. Even while having 2,5 AS it takes 1,5 second. Fiora can deal 20% of Yi's health instantly, with one hit, with PASSIVE DMG ALONE.

I honestly almost stopped reading when you said Yi can only deal 20% of Fiora's max health in 3-4 auto attacks.

Late game Yi's E lets his autos hit for a flat 150 true damage. This would be 450 damage to Fiora's health late game. That's over half of 20% of Fiora's health in true damage alone. If he autos one more time, he double strikes, for an extra 300 true damage plus the physical damage.

This isn't even counting the physical damage from the auto, the physical damage from the bloodrazor, the physical damage from the blade of the ruined king, or the burn from skirmisher's sabre, or the magic damage from the guinsoo's (and if he had this stacked when the duel began there would frankly be no contest, he'd eat her alive).

Yet you believe that Yi can only do 20% of Fiora's max health in 3-4 auto attacks? Please.

Also, now you expect me to buy that you have 400 bonus AD?

Even with this build:

Which is very damage heavy you would only have 250 bonus AD. Plus sixty with fervor (also stop assuming that your fervor starts off fully stacked, it is not a point in Fiora's favor when Master Yi and Tryndamere stack it faster), plus thirty with elixir of wrath. Where is the other sixty bonus AD coming from?

8. Not killing them on 5-6 auto-attacks? Late game I deal 15-20% of enemies' max HP in true dmg depending on whether I have Fervor stacked or not.

So this is just not true, as I've illustrated. You're just wrong, lol.

With 4 ult procs and 1 vital proc after, that is 60-80% of enemies' max hp in true dmg alone, not counting her AA damage, which is FAR above the remaining 20%.

You appear to believe five multiplied by twenty is eighty. I'm beginning to see where your gross misconceptions about Fiora are coming from.

9. Trynd killing Fiora in 3 auto attacks? xD Dude, he can deal 400-600 dmg to her with one AA at max.

Afraid not friendo. A single auto attack from Tryndamere easily breaks over 1,000 damage late game. Fiora doesn't even have 50% damage reduction from armour against Tryndamere, considering his pen. That, plus the damage multipliers from masteries (which do not apply to true damage btw), plus stattik shiv's upfront burst, make it very doubtful that she's only taking 400-600 damage from Tryndamere's auto.

She CAN kite him around. Trynd's E can't be on 1 sec cooldown, 2-3 sec at max.

Not true, late game with 40% CDR it's on a five second cooldown. A single auto from him brings this down to 3 seconds, another auto brings it down to 1. It's basically always up.

That is around the same as Fiora's Q cooldown. Not only she can kite him around with Q but also proc a vital every time and maintaining perma 700+ ms.

Not when he slows her actually, between W and blade of the ruined king.

10. Have I ever watched a Diamond/Challenger Yi or Trynd? Watch En Garde's Fiora dude :)

I will gladly watch him run away from a Yi or Tryndamere late game.

Mortal Reminder is actually hard to play against tho.

It's almost like your build depends entirely on lifesteal lmao.

I would rather say Trynd and Yi are both overrated, both can get hard countered (Yi vs. Jax/Trynd and Trynd vs. Jax)

Yi isn't hard countered by Jax and maybe not by Tryndamere, Tryndamere isn't hard countered by Jax (rather, he's hard countered by Nasus).

and they cannot do anything about it because they have ZERO 1v1 outplay potential (yeah Yi may have some, but his outplay potential is more teamfight oriented and almost useless in 1v1).

Master Yi uses W to absorb Jax's burst and barrage of auto attacks, Qs the E stun, and proceeds to kill Jax because no one who can't be unkillable for five seconds beats Yi in an auto attack war.

I really have to wonder at your knowledge of the champions if you honestly believe that Yi in particularly has literally zero outplay potential in a 1v1. That's such a laughably ignorant statement it warrants no response to be perfectly honest lad.

Fiora however can outplay literally everyone. No matter how Trynd/Yi builds it is literally IMPOSSIBLE for them to deal 1/4 of Fiora's hp with one auto attack

For Tryndamere? It is very possible lad.

and they both don't have AA resets.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!

It's funny because for the longest time Yi's W was literally used only as an auto attack reset. AA>W>AA. You uh, you really don't know much about Yi, do you?

Watch some vids where Fiora almost insta-procs all vitals from her ult, dude that is almost enough to kill them with just that (60-80% of their max hp with TRUE DMG ALONE IN 2 SECONDS!

There's still three seconds of time Tryndamere can't be killed lad (by the way I am aware of how fast she can proc her ult, no need to keep harping on about it, I actually have some knowledge of the champion I'm arguing against). He's not even halfway dead.

As for Yi, Fiora would be in worse shape.

Dude, let's be real, noone can do that to her, and even if they deal a lot, she has her W that can block 2-3 of Yi's/Trynda's auto attacks.

Plenty can, and it's funny how you forgot to mention that during her W she is essentially doing no damage to Yi or Tryndamere, since they would have to be truly stupid to let themselves get hit by such a slow ability, and even then it only does any real damage if it procs a vital.

It may not seem much but it is HUGE in the late game for AA based champions). Those are both very hard matchups for Fiora for the late game, but WAY easier than you think.

That's only huge if you are taking damage during that time. If you're not taking damage it doesn't amount to much tbh.

Anyway, I'm sorry lad, but considering how blatantly wrong some of your statements about Fiora are I can't say you've convinced me at all.