Since cloud drake will give CDR for your ult... can you actually make it work for Kog'Maw too?

needHymn·10/17/2019, 8:03:14 PM·5 votes·6,822 views

Riot said they wanted to make the new changes to the rift seem fair to both teams. Good. But how about making it fair to all champions, as well?

Kog'Maw apparently has a hard cap, which is added to his ult. His ult button comes back up as expected, but refuses to let you press it, until you wait the additional ~0.25 seconds.

At rank 3, Kog'Maw's ult has a base cooldown of just 1 second. But with full CDR, plus Cosmic Insight, plus fully stacked Ultimate Hunter, his ult CD is around: 0.4125 seconds (ultimate hunter stacks multiplicatively). BUT NO. Because in all my tests, it forcefully adds about 0.25 seconds to his ult cooldown, which cannot be reduced by any amount of CDR.

So if his cooldown should have been 0.4 seconds, you'll actually see a delay of more like 0.4 + 0.25 = 0.65 total seconds between each R.

The way it works is that the button for his R will "appear" to come back up after just the 0.4 seconds. But if you press it then, nothing happens. The button looks like it is ready to be pressed again, but it ignores you when you try. So you'll experience a total delay of AT LEAST 0.65 seconds between the time that one ult lands on the ground, and the time when the next ult lands on the ground. And that's assuming you don't have any additional delay due to fat finger syndrome.

And before you say "Oh, that's just the casting time", well, no. Here's my practice tool tests:

With 1.9 CD, I could cast it 28 times in one minute (2.14 seconds between casts... just a fat finger delay) With 0.55 CD, I could cast it 57 times in one minute (1.05 seconds between casts... WAY more than a fat finger delay).

With the new cloud drake bringing such highly advertised ultimate cooldown reduction for everybody else, all I can do is beg Riot, on my knees of course, for the good of all Kog'Man kind, don't forget the very best ADC (**** COUGH*** * ** jungler**) in this big fancy update.

######And perhaps unlock my ultimate Sona skin shard which has been rotting in my loot inventory for years.

5 Comments

Doge202010/17/2019, 8:24:56 PM4 votes

Yo what about udyr and shyvana? They don’t actually have ults, udyr’s “R” is just another ability, and technically shyvana has her ult up all the time, she just needs her rage bar to be full to cast it.

Would they just give udyr a lower CD on all of his abilities? And will they just make shyvana’s rage bar fill up faster?

FireGryph10/18/2019, 4:46:16 AM1 votes

Some drakes benefit some champions more than others. Just the way it is, I think. I mean, new mountain grants %bonus to armor and MR, so that's going to give the malphs, the rammuses, the galios, more of a boost than others. Ocean is gonna help Rengar so much with added bushes. Etc.

Mimr10/18/2019, 9:38:09 AM1 votes

Probably won't happen in Kogs' case. The delay you're experiencing is caused by the fact that the system is unable to handle more than 1 Kog R projectile being active in the game at the same time. Fixing that would require recoding the entire ability and all associated animations across all skins from the ground up. I feel it would be better to rebalance the ability around being a static CD (like Corki R) rather than enable Kog to shoot 3 artillery projectiles every second. Both easier to balance and saves a ton of resources.