Please swap the passives on Ashe and Talon. In terms of gameplay and theme, having the other's passive would benefit both champions.
Edit: I also realized that his would give Ashe great synergy with other Freljord Champs (Sej,Liss, Trundle) and their cc.
360D3GR3SS3 votesso basically at all times ashe does 10% increased damage. wut.
Zakennayo7 votesOn Fronzen/slowed targets.
All of a sudden Ashe is now viable!
360D3GR3SS1 votesNo she still would not be viable. She is not lacking damage she is lacking mobility.
Zakennayo5 votesNo need for mobility when everything you attack moves at the same speed that Nasus's Wither would give.
EffectFX11 votesNot every champion should have mobility.
360D3GR3SS3 votesAny champion that wants to actually see daylight in competition needs mobility. Mobility is usually more valuable than damage.
LupusNox4 votesYes, because all champs should have damage, mobility and CC. That doesn't create cancer champs that have no weaknesses at all
360D3GR3SS1 votesDid you even read my post? I never said all champions SHOULD be like that, I said in order for Ashe to be top tier she needs mobility
webhippo3 votesNo, she is the anti mobility champion. She is one of the best kiters in the game (next to maybe Kalista). Rather than giving her mobility she can remove that from the champions on the enemy team. That makes her Ashe, that's her niche mechanic.
If I had to choose a different passive for her (other than hers and Talon's) I'd keep her passive exactly as is BUT instead of a critical strike on hit, it would be a root on hit. Just to emphasize her anti mobility theme.
EffectFX2 votesMobility, CC, Damage all have their advantages, but to suggest that every champion needs mobility if they want to be competitive is absurd.
360D3GR3SS1 voteswhy do you you think people always take flash and something else? Mobility is VITAL in this game and yes I am saying if a champion wants to be competitive they need mobility.
EffectFX2 votesAnd yet, there exist plenty of champions who have seen competitive (and performed well) play but lack mobility. As in all of them.
Hayaishi4 votesOn Fronzen/slowed targets.
All of a sudden Ashe is now viable!
implying she's not.
get the fuck out bads, ashe is fine.
webhippo5 votesThey can slightly increase her mana usage so she must be more careful on when to use it. But it would give her a needed buff.
Earthlord Jazz1 votesso basically at all times ashe does 10% increased damage. wut.
But muh Corki
Jungle Lux God1 votesI'm not too convinced that giving Talon Ashe's passive would actually help Talon all that much considering how horrible his auto attack animation is, although it does make sense with Talon's Q.
Talon's passive on Ashe would be amazing though.
Kingsgrave1 votesyeah lets give talon actual damage amps
no pls
360D3GR3SS1 votesAgain I NEVER said she should get mobility. I said IN ORDER for her to become worthy of competitive play she needs mobility.
360D3GR3SS1 votesI am talking about s4 and s5
Narasimha1 votesThis would legitimately break Ashe. She's supposed to give up her damage for her CC, having access to both is too much.
If anyone, Shaco and Talon's passive should be switched.
Junkο1 votesShaco and Talon swap is actually a good idea. Talon E puts him behind and then he unloads his combo. Meanwhile Shaco has a perma slow and a fear so it would work.
360D3GR3SS1 votesIm talking about s4 and s5.
Junkο1 votesVayne and Kalista both have mobility and damage.
Sooko1 votesI don't think Ashe would not benefit from the new passive, but Talon would be kind of messed up from his new one. Ashe needs a complete new passive IMO. I post it in some other thread, and I will paste it here if I can fish it out. Wait a sec...
Moonshade1 votesAshe lacks viability because of her lack of escape when caught out (no mobility) and her lack of an all around steroid ability, if you look at "the main" adcs they all have an ability that amplifies either attack damage or speed or adds an effect to their AAs causing more damage. Vayne has her extra AD from her ult + her true damage, Tristana has her AS boost from her Q, Kog'Maw has his % HP damage & range steroid on his W, Graves has a dash and attack speed boost, Caitlyn has extra damage every so many AAs (not as strong as other steroids which is why she gets out dueled often late), Jinx has her minigun & rockets, Twitch AS on Q and damage + range on R, etc...
The "lower tier" ADCs (Ashe, Urgot) are as such because even though they can bully in lane early, unless they scale fast and hard they will be left behind from their lack of a steroid to their AA damage.
I in no way dislike Ashe, in fact she is one of my better ADCs that I use, I'm just pointing out why shes not played in higher brackets*
