Patch 8.16 - "Wukong's burst damage is too high for a champion"

BeatzBoyFTW·Aug 15, 2018·49 votes·14,170 views

Omg, when did you realized this, Rito? Since many times as a top laner in the past, or when he was beating your LC$ Boii up at mid lane around 1 -2 times?

58 Comments

Quiet DudeAug 15, 201851 votes

“Sir, Wukong just burst someone to death in LCS today.”

“So? Wukong has been a burst assassin for awhile now. We’ve even reduced his damage a few times.”

“But sir... the champion he beat... was a Yasuo.”

“...mother of Zoe. How... how is-“

“The skins, sir? Data shows skin sales for Yasuo has dropped by... 2%. Weeblevels are falling across the board.”

“Get me the button. It’s time we put this monkey in his place.”

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JackMcSnipeyzAug 15, 20184 votes

He is cancer to fight even without him beating yasuo

BarcidAug 15, 20187 votes

The point was that Wukong was doing it to everyone but suddenly makes a joke out of Yasuo and now must be euthanized.

NightlyRogueAug 15, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qenIEIT6,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-15T12:41:23.661+0000)

“Sir, Wukong just burst someone to death in LCS today.”

“So? Wukong has been a burst assassin for awhile now. We’ve even reduced his damage a few times.”

“But sir... the champion he beat... was a Yasuo.”

“...mother of Zoe. How... how is-“

“The skins, sir? Data shows skin sales for Yasuo has dropped by... 2%. Weeblevels are falling across the board.”

“Get me the button. It’s time we put this monkey in his place.”

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This made me happy again

hrooza dota Aug 15, 20181 votes

i dont hate yas at all but this was funny enough [sg-miss-fortune]

Shuriman CuratorAug 15, 20181 votes

That was great lmfao

3TWarriorAug 15, 20181 votes

now imagine if it had been this, but by some miracle ZED had been played

KMyLAug 15, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Quiet Dude,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qenIEIT6,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-08-15T12:41:23.661+0000)

“Sir, Wukong just burst someone to death in LCS today.”

“So? Wukong has been a burst assassin for awhile now. We’ve even reduced his damage a few times.”

“But sir... the champion he beat... was a Yasuo.”

“...mother of Zoe. How... how is-“

“The skins, sir? Data shows skin sales for Yasuo has dropped by... 2%. Weeblevels are falling across the board.”

“Get me the button. It’s time we put this monkey in his place.”

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AWESOME! [slayer-pantheon-thumbs] PS: can anyone tell/link me that LCS match/matches? I didn't saw it, but now I want.

Project SolunaAug 16, 20182 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frkl2d45hzY here u go XD it was FNC Caps vs MSF Sencux

KMyLAug 16, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Project Soluna,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qenIEIT6,comment-id=000300050000,timestamp=2018-08-16T08:40:27.832+0000)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frkl2d45hzY here u go XD it was FNC Caps vs MSF Sencux

Thank you Sir! I'm starting to watch.

SugeMinPikkAug 16, 20181 votes

No timestamp? I'm not going to watch a game that doesn't include kingzone

lolipopevelynnAug 15, 201835 votes

Wu mid cheese has been a thing for years. It took a lcs big play for riot to notice. Ridiculous excuse for a balance team.

BeatzBoyFTWAug 15, 20186 votes

That's the big matter in today's Balance Team. I hate how we have to wait for that one pro-player to play it in Worlds or LCS in order to send a "legit" message to Riot about a certain champion's problem in public server.

I mean I can complain about how Zed is annoying to face against all I want. But until any pro-player plays Zed & dominates hard with him, Riot just won't give a shit about my opinion at all.

Beatrice fallsAug 15, 20181 votes

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Wu mid cheese has been a thing for years. It took a lcs big play for riot to notice. Ridiculous excuse for a balance team.

I do remember it being a thing since s4 tbh, a lot of Wukong mains played him here

FancyKiwiAug 15, 20182 votes

Riot has said that they will allow a champ to be on the stronger side if they aren’t popular before.

yay nibbersAug 15, 20181 votes

It was actually reasonable to deal with before though. It's only more recently with Electrocute and Duskblade that it's become so strong.

LuxannaVeritasAug 15, 201825 votes

Just going to leave the full sentence here so this post doesn't get TOO wrong...

"Wukong's burst damage is too high for a champion who has both a dash and invisibility to reduce the amount of time opponents have to respond."

Your point probably still stands, but I see some comments which are wandering from the truth because you didn't include the whole sentence. Twisting what Riot says to your liking just causes unwarranted paranoia, so be careful. [sg-soraka]

BeatzBoyFTWAug 15, 20184 votes

There's a difference? It has always been there for a very long time alongside the bursts he does.

Second, I can't copy paste the whole sentence into the Title bar.

LuxannaVeritasAug 15, 20189 votes

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There's a difference? It has always been there for a very long time alongside the bursts he does.

Second, I can't copy paste the whole sentence into the Title bar.

There's a difference in meaning between your paraphrased version of the sentence, and the actual sentence Riot said, yes.
You're right, but you can also include the full sentence in the actual post.

Void KaijuAug 15, 20181 votes

Context is the enemy of the gameplay boards

XinZhao2WinNhaoAug 15, 20182 votes

Leblanc would have a word with you

Warlord RhinarkAug 15, 201818 votes

It isn't even Wukong being strong.

It's this:

item 3078 item 3147 item 3095

But is Riot going to do anything about this?

No.

KrullyAug 15, 20181 votes

can we really be surprised at this point, they'll solidly put down some champs, but the usual suspects will still be strong, while they will marginally (maybe) nerf the items and runes

Clockwork MouseAug 16, 20183 votes

Bull shit it is the items. This monkey is strong every fucking assassin meta! And he has the same problem where he will just pop people and get fed with no risk at all to himself!

Warlord RhinarkAug 16, 20182 votes

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Bull shit it is the items. This monkey is strong every fucking assassin meta! And he has the same problem where he will just pop people and get fed with no risk at all to himself!

And what is it that allows him to pop people and get fed?

Electrocute, Ignite and aforementioned items.

Clockwork MouseAug 16, 20181 votes

Unlike other champs he doesn't use those items, he abuses them. He is a poorly designed champ from an era long ago in desperate need for a rework

Warlord RhinarkAug 16, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Clockwork Mouse,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qenIEIT6,comment-id=0002000100000000,timestamp=2018-08-16T19:52:16.712+0000)

Unlike other champs he doesn't use those items, he abuses them. He is a poorly designed champ from an era long ago in desperate need for a rework

I agree, he needs a rework, but a nerf was a little bit harsh when he just got a recent one as well.

LeBlanc RoseAug 16, 20181 votes

Because its a fucking assassin meta!

Assassins are meta in assassin metas.

Clockwork MouseAug 17, 20181 votes

Wukong goes beyond meta though. he has 2 modes in the game. Underpowered and overpowered with no middle ground. Either he effortlessly dominates lane and carries the game, or he is not doing much of anything outside the occasional well timed ult in a team fight.

Always Chase MeAug 15, 201810 votes

I play a lot of Wukong myself and honestly he needs a fucking rework or at least some clarification on what he is.

Attack speed on E + armor shred on Q? Looks like he's a great duelist, let's build him like that.

Oh wait, his base damage sucks to build more than 1 tank item on him. Shame. Well, he has great scalings, stealth on W, gapcloser E, and lots of damage on his Q. Let's build him full damage and assassinate people?

What's that, his kit is too overpowered as an assassin kit so you're nerfing his assassinating capabilities? That's fine, let's just build him as an engager. He has an AOE knockup and a passive that gives him more defense the more enemies there are around him.

Except....he has no AOE damage besides his ult and his E (which is barely any base damage) and does nothing past his initial combo and is a sitting duck after his combo, and he once again doesn't do enough damage while not being tanky enough to tank that much.

Like, what the fuck? Every aspect of his kit conflicts with another aspect of his kit, and it leaves him to either be mediocre/bad at fulfilling all 3 roles, or too good at all of them. And right now, he's going right back to being mediocre/bad at all of them.

Andrey0345Aug 15, 20189 votes

"Literally any champion's burst damage is too high for a champion"

FTFY

La BelloAug 15, 20186 votes

I really wish Riot would stop doing this thing where they KNOW a champion is OP yet refuse to do literally about. A great example would be Nami at the moment. Nami is a laning super power right now and can handily win traders without ever having to land a single bubble. W alone is just in a pretty ridic state and needs its damage bumped down a bit. Riot is Fully aware of Sona/Nami being a little bit over A+ picks yet they do not do anything about it because it hasnt "caught on". This attitude of letting broken stuff ride because its flying under radar gets old fast because eventually the community catches on they abuse the picks for a week~month until Riot finally nerfs it properly.

ArammusAug 15, 20184 votes

you know what even more ridiculous? fanboys will come in here and go like "pff yea its easy to trashtalk riots godlike balance team, if you'd be the leader of them the game would die in minutes"

KeevalroyAug 15, 20185 votes

if you'd be the leader of them the game would die in minutes

Good thing I can't kill what's already dead. When do I start?

Beatrice fallsAug 15, 20181 votes

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you know what even more ridiculous? fanboys will come in here and go like "pff yea its easy to trashtalk riots godlike balance team, if you'd be the leader of them the game would die in minutes"

Ik this argument, and I know you're being sarcastic so here is the answer :

I never studied as a game developper, neither worked in a balance team, it doesn't stop the fact that, as a player, find the game ridiculously unbalanced. If you created a shop and sold let's say gums for 35€, wouldn't people complain ? What would you answer ? "Here take the keys and do it if you're so better than me"

HalcyonDwellerAug 23, 20181 votes

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you know what even more ridiculous? fanboys will come in here and go like "pff yea its easy to trashtalk riots godlike balance team, if you'd be the leader of them the game would die in minutes"

Not a fanboy, don't think the balance team is godlike. However...

It's true, armchair developers think they can do a better job managing the game than Riot when in most cases that's simply not the case.

TMek7Aug 15, 20183 votes

as someone with a game design degree, it irks me to know end when I see changes made seemingly without considering other aspects of the game; I get that theres plenty of designers so ideas get passed around, but when Riot made the Runes Reforged system along with some item changes with 'frontloaded damage' in mind, all I could think about was how it would exacerbate burst damage and ranged poke, two particular problems of league with only band-aided solutions

I'd be more interactive with the community when it comes to particular changes, if I was a LoL dev, transparency is the key! [slayer-jinx-catface]

hotarseAug 16, 20183 votes

I dont get why wuke gets so much shit when Leblanc and Zoe do just as much if not more burst and have a much easier time staying safe while doing it.

Always Chase MeAug 16, 20181 votes

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I dont get why wuke gets so much shit when Leblanc and Zoe do just as much if not more burst and have a much easier time staying safe while doing it.

wUkOnG's BuRsT dAmAgE iS tOo HiGh FoR a ChAmPiOn WhO hAs BoTh A dAsH aNd InViSiBiLiTy To ReDuCe ThE aMoUnT oF tImE oPpOnEnTs HaVe To ReSpOnD.

BestealAug 15, 20182 votes

Well of course his burst damage is high, at this point it's his only redeeming quality. But let's forget all about the fact that he's now completely worthless in lane and when they finally separate duskblade and stormrazor passive Wukong will be in the gutter again for the next 5 seasons. At this rate Wukong won't even counter Yasuo in lane because they insist on buffing that champion and gutting Wu. Time to learn Diana.

Red WreckageAug 16, 20182 votes

Wukong has always been a hard counter to Yasuo.
Also Yasuo rarely get picked in LCS.

pointless circlejerk upvote farming spam threads...

BeatzBoyFTWAug 16, 20181 votes

So did Riot realized that counter since like many seasons in public servers, or did they just found out at LCS? If your answer is the latter, then thanks for agreeing with my post.

Second, Yasuo WAS a high common pick in LCS, and that "rarely" is what makes Riot giving him that ridiculous ult buff. It will be back.

Red WreckageAug 16, 20182 votes

I wanna say that timing of the Wukong nerf was a coincidence. :P

XinZhao2WinNhaoAug 15, 20181 votes

Only his Q was nerfed, how is that that bad?

Always Chase MeAug 16, 20182 votes

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Only his Q was nerfed, how is that that bad?

His Q is his main burst. Your E isn't that much damage compared to your Q, and your ult doesn't do a lot of damage until later and often is used as a finisher more than anything.

TangoMango33Aug 16, 20181 votes

You max E, and Q is hardly maxed when you can burst someone.

Always Chase MeAug 16, 20181 votes

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You max E, and Q is hardly maxed when you can burst someone.

Yeah but your Q is still the brunt of your damage. If you watch any gameplay of Wukong, and you can clearly see, especially as the game goes on, that most of his burst is in his Q.

DaBoooshAug 23, 20181 votes

Wukong vs Yasuo is a matchup in Wukong's favor Windwall is useless against wukong Yasuo can't use his ultimate ability because Wukong can knock him up whenever he gets a chance with his own ulti

BeatzBoyFTWAug 23, 20181 votes

So what's your point? Cz it sounds like you didn't understood what my post meant.

DaBoooshAug 23, 20181 votes

Did I miss something? I thought you were complaining about Wukong dealing too much burst damage and beating Yasuo...