Supports who refuse to buy sightstone why do you do it? What makes you think Damage > Vision?

I always buy sightstone, but in the back of my mind I "feel" like not doing it.

I'll be honest with you, as a support main, that being forced to buy sightstone isn't fun. The utility is amazing, the price is reasonable, and it's the core of every victory and your contribution, but it doesn't feel good.

The support role has to buy sightstone. No other role has that as a mandatory feature, not even the jungler (who, in theory, can benefit from it. I know pros do that on occasion, but I don't watch much LCS). Even though the sightstone has multiple upgrades, it is the constant among the support class. Even the ADC class (granted, before the marksman rework it was basically IE rush and maybe BORK for Vayne/Twitch) has more building diversity.

Part of the game is dynamic builds. Cookie cutter builds aren't always the best way to play the game, and some of the strategy is in counterbuilding your opponent. As the lowest income class, rushing my first 800 lane gold into sightstone doesn't "feel" fun.

Another factor that contributes to my feeling is a bit of spite, and how I feel that the game's state shouldn't be at a point where sightstone is needed. Vision should be 20/20/20/20/20, but a lot of the time I feel like it's 15/20/10/5/45.

ANother thing that makes me feel a bit spiteful is that people will report you for not buying sightstone, but it takes huge amounts of effort to get them to buy a pink ward, and for some people to even use their trinket. No joke, I've had people force me to buy sightstone on a bad day (normals, mind you) but put down three wards themselves in one game.

Now, this is only how I feel. How I feel and how I act are two different things, and I highly doubt that most support mains feel this way. I want my role to be defined by the champions, not a single iconic item to the point that several memes, campaigns, and wallpapers represent the support role with a ward.

Again, this is just my opinion.

the question should be, do you want to climb elo? buy sight even if you aren't support xD the ruby sight stone passive is pretty sweet tbh.

I personally believe that those that do go "support" don't feel useful building like a support. Not going sightstone allows them to build damage (somewhat) faster. This is a problem that truly stems from a lot of people not realizing how important vision and utility is. I can totally get behind people playing mages as support; , and support can truly work. Supports though are meant to help the carries, in any way they can. I have a friend that plays mages support and uses the slow from to increase damage and utility (only when ahead) then will build things like . These have ability power and great utility allowing for mages to deal decent damage and peel.

People just need to realize the job of the support isn't to carry with damage. They can potentially carry with utility. Truly some play makers.

Basically:

If their jungle is in the game, I'll buy one. If their support buys one, I'll buy one. If their support skips it and jungle doesn't connect, I'll typically delay it, but if we're dominant that game I may skip it entirely.

Oops, I forgot the reasoning. So in the scenario that I end up delaying or skipping sightstone is because the enemy support isn't placing enough wards to warrant a sweeper, and he likely won't have a sweeper to clear mine out. Since we're dominant in the game our minions give us a good track of where the enemy is going (if support roams mid, we'll more than likely see him leave from his inner turret in bot.)

the extra 800g isn't that important, so I usually pick it up anyways. When my team is already 17-4 and I feel they may just surrender, I just...don't care.

I dont main support but i think the people on the boards need to stop harassing them. its their choice to buy what they want

i have made many comments on other threads regarding this.... i am a support main i get my gold income item and my sighststone every game....

im not against "mage " supports but when i do adc i prefer not to have one. to be honest. however as a mage support there is no reason why you cant get a sight stone or upgrade your gold income item to where you combine your ss and gold income item. which after boots your have 4 items slots for any damage item you want.

example support i know you exceeded 40% cdr but it provides a balance of stats with damage with having wards, gold per 10 , mana regen, magic pen, armor , mr and the ability to heal your allies with your shield do to passive and provide aoe aura for team with and you can help push with the active. this will give about 425 AP with out runes or masteries which a lot of damage from a "support" i doubt her damage out would suffer at all.

for a gives him his "core items of with wards, magic pen, hp, mr , armor , cdr , mana, passive to boost his burst and adcs with and the aura of to help with team fights vs ap damage. so he would get about 315 ap 1100 hp 30% cdr 20mr 30 armor 250 mana 30 flat magic pen

but the issue is people dont wanna build supportish and have a well rounded amount of stats at "support mage" and rather try to "hard carry" buy building full damage.

God, could people seriously stop complaining about this already. If you want to keep complaining, then at least wait till AFTER Vision gets reworked during preseason. For all we know, Riot could be getting rid of and to cement the whole "Support is a ward slave" mentality. All this complaining is doing is making people hate a more.

The only time I_ temporarily_ forfeit a sightstone is when I have 900 gold (thus being able to purchase mobility boots) and I know for a fact that the added mobility will help me not only secure a kill for my midlaner, but also take down a mid lane turret. Sometimes my mid laner's opponent overextends and I know that our jungler alone (although might be able to secure the kill) wouldn't feel as determined to try to take down that mid turret. With me there, not only would I assist in the kill, I also would be a third person that would make pushing down that first mid turret faster. By then I'd easily have 800 gold, return to base, and purchase my sightstone.

It's very hard to carry by your own as support. It doesn't matter how well you try, you have to depend on your ADC, and your team. Building pure utility means you have to depend on them even more. By being a 5th carry, you give yourself a chance to actually be doing the dmg to carry. You need dmg, not utility, at lower elos. What's the point of wards if they don't pay attention to the minimap?

Whenever I have Lux support I am happy if she goes damage lol xD single Snare + her combo is enough to let me just hit one or two AAs to finish the enemy :D

The only time i dont get sightstone is when im Brand and im too far behind on gold. Even then, i just delay the sightstone, not skip it entirely.

I need rylais and some minimal CDR in order to function mid game, and if i didnt get a decent early game... shits gunna suck for a while.

Kinda why i stopped playing support brand. The range on E is just too.... poor for him to be all that effective.

As a support, you really should be building sightstone, even if the rest of your build is damage and CDR, you need that sightstone.

However, I will admit that there have been times I simply needed something else more than a sightstone, typically because my adc is feeding and I need to regain control of the lane through brute force and to more properly protect my ADC. If supports are the moms, then in these cases I become a mother bear.

Most common ones I've heard "Because I need to carry" and that makes me laugh and cry at the same time.

Building only vision and supporting passively requires me to trust that you and the other 4 people are competent enough to do your jobs, often times you are not, often times you are pathetic soft kids who refuse to take responsibility for your own actions and instead blame me for your failures while getting further and further behind. As such I will not build this I will however build so I can at least make it easier for your incompetent ass to get the kills you're suppose to be getting. If lanes are not being pushed(which at lower elo they are not because you people are to incompetent to do so) I will build this to force the lane to be pushed/force the enemy to split push. On occasion if I'm playing or I will build this to increase my healing and give you an attack speed boost.

Very rarely will I build vision, utility is far more useful when you can not trust ANYONE on your team ever in ANY circumstances. If you belive you can trust your teammates in this game you are beyond delusional

I am not a ward bot anymore kid,its not my responsibility to ward everything, I can only carry three wards and a pink. Its YOUR job to ward YOUR lane. Riot changed this to shut up people such as yourself, who contribute nothing and only whine