Maybe guinsoos/devourer arent the problem...

P0oHiHOhLh·3/15/2016, 5:59:59 AM·17 votes·1,513 views

Maybe its that there are no good items that counter them. When high dps champions make those items, frozen heart hardly puts a dent in they're attack speed. Same with omen. And they arent using crit so omens damage reducition is useless. Thornmail is only good if your stacking other AD items, and even then it wont reflect much because so much incoming damage is magic from onhit that even IF you were stacking armor items its hardly marginally effective, while also requiring magic resist items to negate the onhit.

And then on top of this they just run warlords for free ( WAY TO MUCH) Free life steal. Like up to 20%? That keystone is worth like 1k in gold or more. So even if i build all these defensive items, i will lack the damage to duel someone with guinsoos/devourer because they will just out heal me because i had to buy nothing but defense.

21 Comments

Slamurai Jack3/15/2016, 7:52:56 AM4 votes

No one who builds Rageblade and Devourer also runs Warlords. Ever. So don't even make that argument.

WoonStruck3/15/2016, 7:58:31 AM4 votes

Rageblade+Devourer is almost 100% Fervor.

Edit the Warlord's bit out. That's an issue with ADCs and Nasus near-exclusively. Completely irrelevant.

Anraton3/15/2016, 9:23:26 AM1 votes

The problem (normally) is neither guinsoos nor devourer, but the synergy of both.

Another (not as powerfull) example is Rylais ans Liandys

Astôlfo3/15/2016, 11:54:51 AM1 votes

I was expecting another blame-the-champions thread. That would have been annoying. Kudos to you for actually being more reasonable.

JQKAndrei3/15/2016, 11:57:12 AM1 votes

Not tp say that those items synergyse perfectly with BotRK.

Vekkna3/15/2016, 3:34:21 PM1 votes

Right, soo....items without counters are a problem. Ergo, Guinsoo's and Devourer are a problem.

NazZomLord3/15/2016, 4:06:51 PM1 votes

The best you can do to counter them is item 3110 item 3143 item 3075 And even then it does ALOT of damage. Personally when i see a Yi or other AA based sated Shen will have my teams back. TO THE SAFETY ZONE!

Dengeden3/15/2016, 4:29:24 PM1 votes

It's true, tank items (kind of like AP items) are geared towards teamfighting. Have you ever grouped during the mid game shortly after you completed your FH? It's brutal just how much of an unkillable CC machine you become (... in my elo).

The fighters' primary weakness has always been their inability to get to the backline without getting pinatad. Incidentally, the lifesteal from Warlord's is good, yes but stacking lifesteal usually doesn't do much for you. I.e.more damage will give you just as much sustain and ... more damage. Its primary use is for trading and sustaining back up.

I don't think armor items for 1v1 should exist (unless you give it something stupid like lower the armor per number of allies/enemies around you), it'd make top lane (and some bot lanes) incredibly toxic to play. I remember rushing a thornmail vs Riven and facetanking her damage, sure, it was fun but unfair.