In a world where most people try to piss you off on purpose

P0oHiHOhLh·Mar 18, 2016·3 votes·1,809 views

One game company will punish you for not wanting to put up with other peoples bull shit. One game company will drive your patience to the limit justifying a robot operated punishment system with bans that can never be overturned. One game company will offer you "feedback" as to what you did to get punished while not taking the context of the situation into any sort of consideration at all. (literally you cant even see the messages from other players in the feed back)

Riot games is THE TROLL.

That's right.

The league of legends community isn't toxic. Its an illusion created by the toxic environment riot has created.

I just got suspended for two weeks. If i log in I can view the chat logs of what i said that lead to my suspension.
First game i had a duo Q with me. My jungler and support. Lulu roamed top to my lane to help, so naturally when she got there i went all in. She followed me, having me believe we were going to do it. But she did not cast any ability. Didn't ult me. No exhaust. No shield. Nothing. I call her out and she goes "yeah i just wanted you to die" and her and her duo Q just start saying lol and calling me a noob over and over. And I'm the bad guy because i got mad about this?

The second game I got got put with a premade of 4. Between the four of them they had about 5 kills, and 30 deaths. So naturally once we start losing our inhibs i call a surrender vote. They all vote no. I ask the other team to report my teammates thinking it would be a plausible request seeing as how my teams premade had a club tag called SaltU and were clearly trolling. But of course these sadistic people all instead decide that even though everyone is in the same elo, they are winning because they are SO much better and that instead of reporting they just start calling me mad and noob. So lets stop here and analyze this environment riot has created for me.

In the third game the enemy is really playing league. Being serious, trying hard to win, malphite yasuo combo, ect... But then on my team I have a lux, who named his account after lux, and literally just keeps typing lux quotes in the chat. He just fed like 8 kills in 15 minutes. And lets be honest, if he wants to "get in the mood" and try and stay in character with his champion more power to him. But when he just keeps dying so much that sivir can kill in me in 3-4 autos and is 2 levels higher than me despite me having more cs and a solo lane... it literally ruins the game for me. And you cant really give me that "if you were that good you would just carry". They have malphite yasuo and a fed sivir. Team fights were a disaster, and split pushing was impossible as they just mowed down our towers and lanes and could easily send 2 top and still win 3v4 everywhere else.

The tribunal is automated so I bet no on in that premade (who could not be making it more obvious they are trolling with they're behavior and club tag) even got investigated because my one report probably isn't enough to solicit any action.
Im not allowed to stop playing because that is grounds for me to BOTH get reported AND get tagged by the leaver buster system.
Because the system focuses primarily on chat, people are enabled to just do whatever they want to mess with the match and will get off scott free if they dont use chat or try and act victimized.

This system encourages bullying and punishes people for trying to stick up for themselves.

I've gotten leaver buster warnings from being afk in ONE game and only for the FIRST THREE MINUTES AFTER MINIONS SPAWN. Like if its not bad enough going to lane is near impossible because the laner will be so far ahead but i get punished for it too? Would it be that bad to let players pause the game for 3-5 minutes? Since its riot games? Yes.

There's also the whole argument about how we can't play URF or any of the other fun game modes in custom mode. Which honestly wouldn't bother me so much if 5's wasn't unplayable. There's no good matches. I never get to actually play a game. Its either my team gets steamrolled from beginning to end. Of course there can be close games sometimes, but having 1 close one out of every 20 is infuriating. Or my team steam rolls them. Neither scenario is fun or mentally stimulating in any way. And the only other option is aram which is snoozeville.

No vote to pause. No fun game mode options put into custom games Sadistic people run the show because they can just try and piss you off till you cave and then you get in trouble for getting mad at people who literally are ruining games just to make you mad.

This company doesn't care about its player base at all.

31 Comments

DaenMar 18, 201611 votes

Could you show us your chat logs? There isn't really anything that can be said about your particular case without them.

The tribunal is automated so I bet no on in that premade (who could not be making it more obvious they are trolling with they're behavior and club tag) even got investigated because my one report probably isn't enough to solicit any action.

One report has similar weight to nine reports in a single game, as it's based on games reported rather than reports per game.

Because the system focuses primarily on chat, people are enabled to just do whatever they want to mess with the match and will get off scott free if they dont use chat or try and act victimized.

False. Riot has numerous systems in place designed to detect and address intentional feeding/griefing/gameplay trolling, the problem is that it's more difficult to identify than negative chat. That being said, it's something that's being consistently worked on and improved by Riot and it's absolutely something Riot cares about.

This system encourages bullying and punishes people for trying to stick up for themselves.

Sticking up for yourself doesn't really apply when it comes to verbal abuse, especially in a scenario where there is no possible threat of physical violence and it's entirely possible to mute the aggressor. The high road, when someone is being a jerk, is to mute that person and report him/her after the game, not to retaliate with equal venom.

I've gotten leaver buster warnings from being afk in ONE game and only for the FIRST THREE MINUTES AFTER MINIONS SPAWN.

Why were you AFK?

P0oHiHOhLhMar 18, 20162 votes

So you can continue the sadistic cycle of enjoying that i was mad? Ill pass.

DaenMar 18, 20168 votes

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So you can continue the sadistic cycle of enjoying that i was mad? Ill pass.

No, so that we can offer feedback on why you were suspended. I'm sure that if Riot was truly in the wrong people will agree that your punishment was unjust, but that's not an opinion that can be thought out without any data.

DU BaymaxMar 18, 20161 votes

eh, don't get after him for going afk occasionally. EVERYONE has to go afk sometimes, it's inevitable. Of course it's important to try to avoid it as much as possible, but shit happens, and sometimes people afk. Maybe they got a BSOD, maybe their internet crashed because of some malfunction, etc. Shit happens, and it's unavoidable.

DaenMar 18, 20163 votes

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eh, don't get after him for going afk occasionally. EVERYONE has to go afk sometimes, it's inevitable. Of course it's important to try to avoid it as much as possible, but shit happens, and sometimes people afk. Maybe they got a BSOD, maybe their internet crashed because of some malfunction, etc. Shit happens, and it's unavoidable.

It does indeed happen occasionally, and it's why LeaverBuster doesn't generally punish singular leaves. LeaverBuster establishes patterns, and if a pattern can't be established (a single leave over a very long period of time, for example) a punishment isn't usually issued.

For the OP, I was essentially just curious as to why he didn't make it into the first few minutes of his game. He also specifically said "leaver buster warningS", which would indicate that he's received a warning from LeaverBuster more than once.

P0oHiHOhLhMar 18, 20162 votes

Yet seeing it as unjust doesnt undo the 2 week ban.

Sure i can just "mute them and take the high road" but that doesn't do any good. The anger and frustration isn't geared towards the players messages, so much as the frustrating gameplay that im locked into. Where in the first 5 minutes of the game things spiral so far out of control that even if i try to go help the struggling lane i just get melted and once this happens, you no longer get to play. You can run in at that fed sivir, properly dodge her Q, withhold your abilities and stuff during sheild, and just all around play the scenario better than her. But then lose because shes so fed that she didnt need those abilities because she can right click on you for 500 damage a second and you cant dodge that. Or best case scenario i actually do catch her slipping but then her nami yasuo malphite wombo has her back while my lux is typing "illuminate the enemy" while standing in base.

Yet im trapped in that cycle because unlike most other session based games, I cant quit mid way through. I cant just go find another match with different players.

I was afk because my grandfather needed me to carry something heavy. I left right when the loading screen started and got back at about 4:30 game clock. Yet i already had a leaverbuster afk warning on my screen and STILL had to type in the "I Agree" after the match despite being present for the rest of it.

DaenMar 18, 20164 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cold Fingers,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UBnvugp7,comment-id=0001000000000001,timestamp=2016-03-18T05:02:36.957+0000)

Yet seeing it as unjust doesnt undo the 2 week ban.

If it's just, the ban should remain. That's the point of having a punishment system, punishments are assigned to cases that are identified as in need of reform.

If you feel you were temp banned in error, however, that's something we can discuss only if you're willing to provide chat logs for open dialogue.

Sure i can just "mute them and take the high road" but that doesn't do any good. The anger and frustration isn't geared towards the players messages, so much as the frustrating gameplay that im locked into.

I definitely understand the frustration, and I'm sure most players empathize. That being said, retaliating to that frustration with toxicity does nothing but bring the game down and actually encourage the situation to get worse.

I was afk because my grandfather needed me to carry something heavy. I left right when the loading screen started and got back at about 4:30 game clock. Yet i already had a leaverbuster afk warning on my screen and STILL had to type in the "I Agree" after the match despite being present for the rest of it.

Was it a warning, or an actual punishment from LeaverBuster? That notification is given for the first time the system identifies AFK activity, it doesn't necessarily mean it's building a direct case.

P0oHiHOhLhMar 18, 20162 votes

Riot refuses to lift bans for any circumstances.

The situation wasn't going to improve so why should I not be able to vocalize my frustration at ass holes who ruin the game for me.

It was just a warning. The leaver buster probably screws people over too but it was only a small point in my rant. I never quit games (only cuz riot wont let me leave ones like ive previously described.)

TrulyBlandMar 18, 20162 votes

That's simply not true, there are a lot of examples (some of which even happened on the forums) where Riot undid the bans. But only if they actually did make a mistake.

Where the myth comes from is that they refuse to reduce punishments. Either they made a mistake, and the punishment is lifted (possibly "swapped" with another punishment, if the mistake involved the punishment tiers), or they didn't make a mistake and the punishment stands.

DaenMar 18, 20165 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cold Fingers,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UBnvugp7,comment-id=000100000000000100000000,timestamp=2016-03-18T06:49:55.162+0000)

Riot refuses to lift bans for any circumstances.

False. Riot has set a precedent for overturning bans that were issued in error and has done so numerous times, it's just that it happens so rarely very few people are aware of that fact.

The situation wasn't going to improve so why should I not be able to vocalize my frustration at ass holes who ruin the game for me.

If it didn't negatively impact other players' experience than I suppose it would be fine, but it's clear that this wasn't the case due to the fact you received enough reports to be suspended. The bottom line here is that once behavior starts to negatively affect the experience of other players it becomes an issue.

If you need to vocalize your frustration, do it with your voice, out loud, rather than telling your teammates how you feel in chat. It might not feel as immediately satisfying, but you'll likely encounter better games and avoid being reported.

It was just a warning. The leaver buster probably screws people over too but it was only a small point in my rant.

LeaverBuster simply establishes patterns and addresses them accordingly. People that have occasional intermittent issues aren't generally punished by LeaverBuster, it's only when a pattern is established that it starts to institute restrictions.

P0oHiHOhLhMar 19, 20162 votes

LOL AND WHAT THEY DO ISNT NEGATIVELY IMPACT MY EXPERIENCE?

LOL THEY CALL THEMSELVES SALTU FFS

DaenMar 19, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cold Fingers,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UBnvugp7,comment-id=00010000000000010000000000010000,timestamp=2016-03-19T00:54:27.902+0000)

LOL AND WHAT THEY DO ISNT NEGATIVELY IMPACT MY EXPERIENCE?

LOL THEY CALL THEMSELVES SALTU FFS

What they do absolutely impacts your experience negatively, but your reaction to their behavior is impacting other players' experience with the same level of negativity.

JonxxMar 18, 20162 votes

They do undo bans if they are result of an error.

For example there was one guy that got banned because he flamed himself. He made a topic where he explained what happened and he got unbanned.

Thread I'm talking about. http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=4773809&page=5#post49229339

DJ KatarinaMar 18, 20161 votes

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Could you show us your chat logs? There isn't really anything that can be said about your particular case without them.

One report has similar weight to nine reports in a single game, as it's based on games reported rather than reports per game.

False. Riot has numerous systems in place designed to detect and address intentional feeding/griefing/gameplay trolling, the problem is that it's more difficult to identify than negative chat. That being said, it's something that's being consistently worked on and improved by Riot and it's absolutely something Riot cares about.

Sticking up for yourself doesn't really apply when it comes to verbal abuse, especially in a scenario where there is no possible threat of physical violence and it's entirely possible to mute the aggressor. The high road, when someone is being a jerk, is to mute that person and report him/her after the game, not to retaliate with equal venom.

Why were you AFK?

BS riot never bans gameplay trolls they ban the people that those trolls troll

DaenMar 18, 20163 votes

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BS riot never bans gameplay trolls they ban the people that those trolls troll

[Citation Needed]

P0oHiHOhLhMar 29, 20162 votes

I would like for you too see this sir.

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/3PacWEr8-tribunal-is-busted-v2

P0oHiHOhLhApr 2, 20162 votes

Game 1 Cold Fingers: april fools Cold Fingers: noob kat aha Cold Fingers: no but really fuck you Cold Fingers: still boots Cold Fingers: 4 poy Cold Fingers: pot Cold Fingers: ahahahaha Cold Fingers: you should have bot cloth 4 Cold Fingers: l2play Cold Fingers: cuz you fed Cold Fingers: so what Cold Fingers: you can feed Cold Fingers: darius too? Cold Fingers: elave Cold Fingers: get Cold Fingers: out Cold Fingers: fuck Cold Fingers: oh Cold Fingers: im still Cold Fingers: top Cold Fingers: no Cold Fingers: get out Cold Fingers: or ill report yoyu Cold Fingers: why did you buy Cold Fingers: ap item Cold Fingers: and not armor Cold Fingers: seriosuly Cold Fingers: go play bots Cold Fingers: report kat please Cold Fingers: here we go Cold Fingers: the self righteous kids think they are god moe Cold Fingers: if you laned against me Cold Fingers: you wouldnt be rolling Cold Fingers: but you got a kat who doesnt even know to build armor Cold Fingers: and your playing easy mode champ ah Cold Fingers: its like if lebron james dunked on a middle schooler Cold Fingers: i dont think he would brag. Cold Fingers: whata eryou doing Cold Fingers: 12 minutes Cold Fingers: boot tomb Cold Fingers: at this point your literally just an ass hole wu Cold Fingers: k Cold Fingers: im done Cold Fingers: cuz i want to play Cold Fingers: a fucking decnt match Cold Fingers: of league Cold Fingers: not get 2 shot by a wukong cuz he had a free lane Cold Fingers: aha darius you blow Cold Fingers: 2v1 me with xin and you still die Cold Fingers: in a counter match up too Cold Fingers: i need to stop playing on weekends when parents let their kids use the computer Cold Fingers: IT IS SAD Cold Fingers: 55 CS AT 24 MINS Cold Fingers: aha i didnt lose Cold Fingers: kat lost. Cold Fingers: aha Cold Fingers: u guys are ass holes Cold Fingers: ud be salty to Cold Fingers: if kat was on yoru team doing this

DaenApr 2, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Cold Fingers,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=UBnvugp7,comment-id=0001000100000001,timestamp=2016-04-02T02:03:33.150+0000)

Game 1 Cold Fingers: noob kat aha Cold Fingers: no but really fuck you Cold Fingers: l2play Cold Fingers: cuz you fed Cold Fingers: so what Cold Fingers: you can feed Cold Fingers: darius too? Cold Fingers: get out Cold Fingers: or ill report yoyu Cold Fingers: go play bots Cold Fingers: report kat please Cold Fingers: the self righteous kids think they are god moe Cold Fingers: but you got a kat who doesnt even know to build armor Cold Fingers: at this point your literally just an ass hole wu Cold Fingers: k Cold Fingers: im done Cold Fingers: aha darius you blow Cold Fingers: u guys are ass holes

I've bolded the parts that I feel are the most likely to have brought reports your way, but overall I'd say these are indeed relatively negative chat logs.

The thing about going from a two week to a perma is that it's considered the last chance, very thin ice. The previous, unreformed activity on the account is taken into consideration with the permanent suspension, and what Riot is looking for is sufficient proof that the player has made a considerable effort towards reigning in his/her behavior.

I expect it was clear to Riot that this was not the case, and it's likely why this game was the final straw in leading to the suspension. This chat log on its own is probably not enough to warrant a permanent ban, but when weighed along with the past (unreformed) activity on the account it was the logical next step.

P0oHiHOhLhMar 19, 20162 votes

This guy understands.

PDE5 InhibMar 19, 20161 votes

Can I have a blue name?

Got 2 DadsMar 18, 20165 votes

Werent you the guy on boards about 40 min ago insulting silver players because you are gold? you seem toxic, show us the logs :)

DU BaymaxMar 18, 20166 votes

oh yeah, he is that guy. you're right, my guess is if he screen shotted the logs we'd discover he was actually an asshole. fuck him.

P0oHiHOhLhMar 18, 20166 votes

See and then things like this get positive feedback from the community because even though it wasn't me, they are literally just here to be rude and try and piss me off.

DU BaymaxMar 18, 20163 votes

my mistake, it was a dick named magic poles. I retract my statement and apologize for the confusion, you have the same summoner icons

P0oHiHOhLhMar 18, 20165 votes

I did no such thing. I haven't even played ranked yet this season.

You are showing the exact sadistic attitude I'm talking about.

AstôlfoMar 18, 20163 votes

So, let me summarize your post into something shorter. → "blah blah blah meaningless shit, whining, it's everyone else's fault, blah blah blah" Okay, that's better.

WesklerMar 18, 20162 votes

yeah learn the lesson, riot wants to eliminate solo que players and dont GAF about the rest, and yet they call themselfs fair and balanced, riot wants you to quit thats it, if you dont play with friends dont even try, just let the new ranked system cough ranked 5 cought be as riot is killing their game slowly, yet people will continue watching PRO, like LCS LPL LCK because its fun and say that because of the people watching their leagues is going up they are doing better, havent you asked yourself why old streamers left, simple its not a solo game anymore riot says PLAY AS 4-5 OR DONT PLAY AT ALL

PDE5 InhibMar 19, 20162 votes

100% OP said, "go ahead report me idc won't do nuttin my dad works for rito this is my 15th smurf"

rtbf262490Mar 18, 20161 votes

Um sorry i was looking for the bathroom my bad.

DJ KatarinaMar 18, 20161 votes

Riot sides with the trolls... they dont ban trolls they ban the people who get trolled by them. More proof riot doesnt care about its community at all