So when are the WarWick and Lux nerfs coming?

Zakennayo·Nov 24, 2014·1 votes·1,128 views

Lux -> High safety, damage, and range. Remove 1 or 2 of these.

Warwick -> High tankyness, sustain, maneuverability, damage, Remove 2 or 3 of these.

41 Comments

DarthSpectrumNov 24, 20147 votes

WW has very little maneuverability compared to other champions, and all his tank stats come from items. He is only problematic right now due to how well Infinite Duress, Devour-er, Skirmisher, and Wits-end combos. In addition, the new jungle practically spells death for any champions without sustain, but WW has one of the best sustain kit in game, which gives him an apparent edge over the others.

As well, the only thing going for Lux is range. She is one of the squishiest mages with no mobility, that is definitely not safe. Also, take a look at her AP ratios; they are extremely subpar compared to those of other AP mid laners such as Fizz or Syndra. The majority of her damage comes from the high base damage on her skills, which means that she falls off rapidly. The only noteworthy offensive aspect of her kit is her ult coupled with her passive. Even then, it requires Lux to land another spell on you first. Compared to the previous examples, Fizz and Syndra, the damage still isn't that impressive given how difficult it is to be dealt.

Either way, personally I believe that a champion shouldn't be nerfed unless all the better champions in that category are also toned down for two reasons. One, all the people who main FOTM champions will simply convert to the more OP options, and Two, by nerfing this champion, Riot removes a potential competitor for the other OP champions, making them even more so.

ZakennayoNov 24, 20141 votes

So then nerf it? Every other champion that has been in this position has been nerfed. But Warwick seems to be able to escape the nerfbat for so long. And it's been a problem for the longest time. It's only starting to finally show it's ugly furry face because Warwick is one of the 3 viable junglers in the game.

Lux has massive range and snare. And her ratios aren't bad at all at .5 compared to Ahri's .25 and Akali's .45 (Out of memory can someone check those?) So she has decent range, and damage. Her cooldowns and cost aren't as bad as Fizz's or Syndras at all. Not to mention Fizz is a melee champion and Syndra is a tiny ranged champion, barely able to reach the medium range of Lux's Q/E.

Really she's the only busted champion that has so much strengths since the Gragas nerf. Because he was in the same state she was. High damage, High range, High safety. All nerfed to make him more easily counterable in lane. Even Riven was nerfed for this same reason, but she was more of a bullshit reason and less because she's OP.

Most people argue that Kat and Akali are OP. But really, just pick CC champs. There are tons in the game. Blitz and Leona are the two biggest competitors to them. So hush!

A Wild AP SonaNov 24, 20143 votes

So then nerf it? Every other champion that has been in this position has been nerfed. But Warwick seems to be able to escape the nerfbat for so long. And it's been a problem for the longest time. It's only starting to finally show it's ugly furry face because Warwick is one of the 3 viable junglers in the game.

Lux has massive range and snare. And her ratios aren't bad at all at .5 compared to Ahri's .25 and Akali's .45 (Out of memory can someone check those?) So she has decent range, and damage. Her cooldowns and cost aren't as bad as Fizz's or Syndras at all. Not to mention Fizz is a melee champion and Syndra is a tiny ranged champion, barely able to reach the medium range of Lux's Q/E.

Really she's the only busted champion that has so much strengths since the Gragas nerf. Because he was in the same state she was. High damage, High range, High safety. All nerfed to make him more easily counterable in lane. Even Riven was nerfed for this same reason, but she was more of a bullshit reason and less because she's OP.

Most people argue that Kat and Akali are OP. But really, just pick CC champs. There are tons in the game. Blitz and Leona are the two biggest competitors to them. So hush!

SMH clearly never played lux read my post and then try again

~ ex #2 lux player world on lolskill

ZakennayoNov 24, 20141 votes

Mained Lux back in S3, gave up on her because she's was boring and stale. Tried Gragas, was basically the same. But he was fat, and I'm fat.. So.. I digged him a bit more. Switched over the Hecarim then Skarner, up until the Skarner nerf then I mained Sona, after Sona nerf I decided to quit trying to play fun champs and switched to OP champs..

Game is still getting stale..

DirewolfiezNov 24, 20144 votes

If you mained her, then why do you have no idea how her passive is proc'd? My BS senses are tingling...

LatticeGrimoireDec 18, 20142 votes

But look at there over all damage, Kat and Alkali can do 45%+ more damage than Lux.

ZakennayoJan 13, 20151 votes

This was the stupidest one, so I choose it to reply to. Sorry everyone else!

Kat and Akali have to be in the fight to deal damage. Lux has long ranged abilities.

If they do 150% more damage, then I wouldn't mind so much.

JevelFaithfulJan 13, 20151 votes

so Kat/akali do more damage than lux, but are close quarter.

Considering Kat isn,t in a gamebreaking spot right now. Then all 3 are in a decent spot. Right? That's what you just said.

ZakennayoJan 13, 20151 votes

How the hell did you get that?

Kat and Akali are on the borderline between Viable and OP.

Lux passed it sometime back in S2. I stopped using her for freelo long time ago. Way to easy.

JevelFaithfulJan 14, 20151 votes

I got it from this :

Kat and Akali have to be in the fight to deal damage. Lux has long ranged abilities.

If they do 150% more damage, then I wouldn't mind so much.

They more damage, so you wouldn't mind. And In what I've seen, Kat doesn't seem to be too out of line (good pick, but doesn't seem overbearing from what I get of the game) and Akali seems actually weaker. So I guess Lux is in relatively the same spot.

That's how the hell I did get that.

A Wild AP SonaNov 24, 20147 votes

lux cant jungle til end game
lux has no escapes
lux has 4 skill shots
lux is stupidly squishy
terrifyingly woeful shitstain tier early game compared to other mids
bad wave clear
demands 40 cdr
lux does -not- have high damage syndras ult alone at level 6 can do a max of 640 damage compared to lux doing a mere 300 and you think lux has high damage? LOOOOOLL
goes oom just by looking at minions you literally have mana issues the entire match even with athene/morello at the same time

for how awful she is the first 25 minutes of the game she deserves her hypercarry potential end game

ZakennayoNov 24, 20141 votes

Use Q -> Escape

USe E -> Escape

Long range high speed projectile =/= skill shot. A skill shot is more like Ahri's Charm. Slow moving low range. You know.. taking skill to hit!

Lux has the highest burst potential in the game, next to Kat, Viegar, and Syndra. Cause you know.. Proccing..

Her mana cost aren't that high, and her cooldowns aren't that bad. If you're having mana issues I suggest to stop banning and start last hitting more often. Read up on the passives of Dorans Ring.

DirewolfiezNov 24, 20145 votes

Miss Q: you're up shit creek.

If you think Lux can regularly proc her passive, you either have no idea how to play against her, or don't fully realise just how risky it is walking within AA range as Lux.

A Wild AP SonaNov 24, 20144 votes

Use Q -> Escape

USe E -> Escape

Long range high speed projectile =/= skill shot. A skill shot is more like Ahri's Charm. Slow moving low range. You know.. taking skill to hit!

Lux has the highest burst potential in the game, next to Kat, Viegar, and Syndra. Cause you know.. Proccing..

Her mana cost aren't that high, and her cooldowns aren't that bad. If you're having mana issues I suggest to stop banning and start last hitting more often. Read up on the passives of Dorans Ring.

a skill shot is any skill that has to be aimed its just that some skill shots are easier to hit than others

lol @ lux having one of highest dmg potentials are you intoxicated? do you honestly think anyone will let lux stand there and AA them past level 5-6 laning phase? lux dies in 2-3 hits from basically anyone in the game that deals damage and you think you can walk up to people trying to siege your base and just start aaing them?

there is this thing called.... flash they will use it and kill you

"read passive of dorans ring"

because a guy that was ranked #2 in the world as lux on lolskill clearly doesnt know what dorans passive does SMH she is mana hungry even with dorans/morello/athenes AT THE SAME TIME

honestly idk why I even responded you are so biased and full of shit and clearly never mained lux you didnt even know what activated her passive

insaiyanbaccaDec 18, 20144 votes

ummm any assassin that just looks at lux gets a kill

LatticeGrimoireDec 18, 20143 votes

Her E is not an escape

JevelFaithfulJan 13, 20152 votes

This a thousand times.

Neither is her Q technically, it's just a CC. Offensively and defensively.

LatticeGrimoireDec 18, 20142 votes

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Lux has the highest burst potential in the game, next to Kat, Viegar, and Syndra. Cause you know.. Proccing..

This is just not True. Viktor, Akali, Xerath, Vel'Koz, LeBlanc, Ahri all have a better burst than Lux.

Bears Dont CareNov 24, 20147 votes

Heh...Warwick..high mobility...funny.

ZakennayoNov 24, 20141 votes

Lol yeah. he's so. Wait whats that? OH SHIT!

You have been slain

He needs a Sonic skin...

DirewolfiezNov 24, 20148 votes

Rammus is the only champ that needs a Sonic skin.

"Gotta go fast. Ok."

Lord DusteonNov 24, 20145 votes

First, Lux requires getting close to proc her passive, which removes her safety. In addition, all of her damage relies on landing her skillshots to do anything.

Second, Warwick has low maneuverability until his E gets procced, and is still easily kitable (and if he ults in solo, delete him). In addition, his damage relies entirely on on-hits and his ult, and his tankiness relies entirely on drain tanking. Ignite will easily ruin warwick, and any form of delayed cc (or anyone nearby who ccs him) will help ruin warwick.

ZakennayoNov 24, 20141 votes

Umm. Just so you know, her abilities proc her passive too. So she doesn't need to autoattack.

Umm. You act like it's impossible to get someone below, what, 50 or so percent health? No shit his damage relies on hits? He hits extremely hard, and considering the jungle is catered to his exact needs he can now burn through jungle, still be at high health, and be able to counter jungle before the enemy jungle can finish wolf camp. And now the only real counter to his E is to stay above 50% HP. Which is entirely possible with an enemy team out to kill you.

And Ignite ruins everyone. It's also on a 3min timer. So now you're forced to run a team of ignites to counter one champion? Really? That's just as stupid as the Pink ward idea against Akali.

ParadrakorNov 24, 20148 votes

I don't think you've ever played lux. Only her ultimate and her AA's proc passive.

You only need one ignite to hard counter warwick's high lifesteal. Why would you stack ignites on the same target?

However, it is clear that Warwick is broken with item 3715 right now...

DirewolfiezNov 24, 20146 votes

OP prolly got stomped by a Lux and is lying about maining her. If he had, he'd actually know how her passive worked.

BetaDude40Nov 24, 20146 votes

Lux has some AP ratios that aren't very favorable. She is also very squishy and has no mobility, only a shield.

You seem to prove a point in the second bit, except that none of that changes his somewhat-par mobility. His Q is a pretty wide radius, and his ult is a suppressing gap closer. That's about it. Even if he does see you, ward coverage, or at least a general idea he's coming is enough warning. Sure he moves fairly fast, but nowhere near the caliber of mobility creep other champs can reach. (Also, I don't remember, but I think item 3140 can still remove the suppression from his ult)

This last paragraph is the main reason I'm commenting. you have NO idea how useful that pink ward is whenever she's low. At the least, get the pink ward trinket (You'll have to somehow survive until level 9 though. So stock up on some pink wards). They're not too expensive, and they WILL save your life and end hers.

LatticeGrimoireDec 18, 20141 votes

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Umm. Just so you know, her abilities proc her passive too. So she doesn't need to autoattack.

No Just her Ult does her other abilities will just restart the timer with out ding the damage

Thresh Outta FuxNov 24, 20143 votes

Lux? No.

Warwick? The new jungle item makes him OP...

PheroDec 18, 20143 votes

Like said above, only AA and R proc her passive. Her skillset is VERY balanced, brilliant design really, having to move out of safety to get that extra damage onto someone. Her numbers are just too low right now, too high mana costs, too little damage, too squishy for her damage, too little sustain, bad waveclear.

Basically buff her numbers and she's perfectly viable imho.

LatticeGrimoireDec 18, 20141 votes

This is really true, but i do think that her shield needs some work to be really bother with it.

Regina GeorgeDec 18, 20143 votes

I mean, can't you even be creative with your trolling? this is even less entertaining than Fox news.

AnidanNov 24, 20141 votes

So... gut Warwick, basically?

No.

ZakennayoNov 24, 20141 votes

Well you can leave his sustain and Mobility, but make it so he doesn't 1 shot everything in his path and tank it all harder then rammus. Which makes sense no?

BetaDude40Nov 24, 20144 votes

So..... remove both his aspect as a tank AND a damage dealer? You know that he can only Q you if he's in range (albeit, a fairly medium range; not like Voli W), and he's melee? Considering the mobility of so many other champs, I'm glad he has the suppression, otherwise, nobody would play him.

(Also, when did Rammus become the international standard for a tank's power? Not to be rude, he's amazing, but why him?)

ZakennayoNov 24, 20141 votes

Because he's the very idea of a tank. Everything about him and his kit screams tank. I did say to remove at least 3 or 4 of the things there. But that would be Riot's job. My terms of balancing actually work. And well... Riot doesn't like that..

LatticeGrimoireDec 18, 20141 votes

Lux has high range but not high damage, or safety

LatticeGrimoireDec 18, 20141 votes

Also then you would have to nerf AP Ez, AP NID and Vel'Koz. All of them have better range and damage, and are at lest as safe.

insaiyanbaccaDec 18, 20142 votes

dont forget our buddy xerath

LatticeGrimoireDec 18, 20141 votes

So True!