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You nerfed ahri but not gnar?

GM4tL8dFsI··17 votes·2,729 views

Really? The champion that can 50% an entire team with a full tank build? really? and dont tell me it takes a massive amount of skill to play him. his laning phase is easy and so is his teamfight. his jumping around bullshit is too good of an escape

Here's the problem I have. I don't know how it is in lower ELO's but Gnar when played with a semi-experienced gnar player has no weakness other than against champions with low cd all ins with massive gap closers(nobody). His jump isn't his only escape mechanism, his slow works as one as well. His weakness is SUPPOSED to be his squishy form in lane, but it's just as strong as his mega form. THEN when he gets out of mega form you can't get ANYWHERE near him because of his mobility. There is so little room to outplay this champion or even counterplay when played at a certain level and it's ridiculous.

His slow is easy to hit, he's manaless which means nonstop harass and escape spams and his mega gnar form's spells are ALL ccs with MASSIVE amounts of damage and animation delay on champions that it hits, and to top it off, just like Cassiopeia, if you get in range and get hit by one of his slows while running away, you get punished incredibly hard.

I'm not saying to nerf this champion to oblivion, but at least nerf his mobility so he'd have to play atleast SOMEWHAT safe in lane. It's WAY too tough to win lane 1v1 or even farm under tower against him and I can safely say he has no real hard counter.

38 Comments

Dom1nati0n7 votes

This is messed up that I'm the first one to comment on this. But you do know that Ahri just got buffed...not nerfed right? That didn't slip past you did it...howabotu the other 9 comments so far. Did anyone, at all, catch that. That she didn't get nerfed. She got buffed. Clearly. Just...Pointing that out....

junglerboy162 votes

It depends on what you consider a buff. For people who don't hit charm/don't ever assassinate people as her, it is indeed a buff (more damage without comboing spells) but for many players, it is a massive nerf because they removed a TON of damage from her burst combo. I don't really play Ahri, so I haven't decided whether it is really a nerf or buff, but anyone who played assassin Ahri got hung out to dry by these changes.

Keevalroy1 votes

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It depends on what you consider a buff. For people who don't hit charm/don't ever assassinate people as her, it is indeed a buff (more damage without comboing spells) but for many players, it is a massive nerf because they removed a TON of damage from her burst combo. I don't really play Ahri, so I haven't decided whether it is really a nerf or buff, but anyone who played assassin Ahri got hung out to dry by these changes.

Exactly this. It IS a buff to mage Ahri, but assassin Ahri got destroyed with these changes.

guardable591 votes

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It depends on what you consider a buff. For people who don't hit charm/don't ever assassinate people as her, it is indeed a buff (more damage without comboing spells) but for many players, it is a massive nerf because they removed a TON of damage from her burst combo. I don't really play Ahri, so I haven't decided whether it is really a nerf or buff, but anyone who played assassin Ahri got hung out to dry by these changes.

An assassin with the best form of CC in game... And people ask why they nerfed charm xD Doesn't matter, been watching all high elo players wrecking face with her. Ahri will always be a solid pick because of how well her kit was designed

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

OP be like:

OP: Omg wtf Rito? Y u nerf Ahri!! What about Gnar?? Us: Gnar did got nerfed in like, two patches. OP: I pretend I didn't hear that....umm anyway, WTF RITO Y U NERF AHRI, NOT GNAR?!!

ßongs2 votes

she got both, they got rid of charm amp, so that is considered a nerf plus got rid of dfg, the only buff is the movement speed on q, more graceful ult, and her w finds other targets when the first target dies

Kuroi864 votes

The champion that can 50% an entire team with a full tank build?

Chogath DrMundo Malphite Maokai Nautilus Ryze Sion Taric That trick isn't as unusual as you think. There are reasons to nerf Gnar, but that isn't one lol.

Sir Yamazuki2 votes

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Chogath DrMundo Malphite Maokai Nautilus Ryze Sion Taric That trick isn't as unusual as you think. There are reasons to nerf Gnar, but that isn't one lol.

Neither of them do as much damage nor have the mobility as Gnar with a full tank build. While yes, some of those can actually chunk out some of their opponents hp ( mainly single target for some so not an entire team either), but it requires them to have built damage to do so, building any damage means you're no longer building full tank.

Kuroi861 votes

Mobility, no, AoE damage... well. Chogath Malphite Maokai Nautilus

And don't tell me they can't half health an enemy team, I've done it on three of these four and seen it done more times than is comfortable on the fourth. :P

junglerboy161 votes

Cho shreds whole teams away after eating their carries. Mundo just never dies, so he can take as long as he wants. Malphite's initiation combo even full tank is really impressively bursty. Maokai blocks a ton of damage before spitting it back out. Nautilus scales into an unbelievable team fighter late game who can legitimately half life a whole team. Ryze isn't a tank... I have completely wombo comboed a whole team as Sion all by myself by hitting a 5 man charge, Eing them all, loading up Q and W, and then popping them for massive damage (It was a thing of beauty, my personal favorite moment so far this season). Taric is Taric. He has been bursting whole teams for years and is super under appreciated.

Learnding1 votes

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Neither of them do as much damage nor have the mobility as Gnar with a full tank build. While yes, some of those can actually chunk out some of their opponents hp ( mainly single target for some so not an entire team either), but it requires them to have built damage to do so, building any damage means you're no longer building full tank.

Almost 100% sure Mundo can easily, EASILY scale up to Gnar and rip him a new one.

exiledFromBadmen1 votes

Sejuani Blitzcrank

GM4tL8dFsI3 votes

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Chogath DrMundo Malphite Maokai Nautilus Ryze Sion Taric That trick isn't as unusual as you think. There are reasons to nerf Gnar, but that isn't one lol.

As I have said, at a certain skill level , I'm looking at your lolking right now, and it definitely isn't in that skill level. ALL of those champions you mentioned can be punished for over extending or being too cocky. NONE of them have AOE CC on every spell with an enormous range.

Kuroi862 votes

I didn't say he doesn't have issue, I just think you're focusing on the wrong issue. His laning I think is what needs to be looked at.

GM4tL8dFsI1 votes

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I didn't say he doesn't have issue, I just think you're focusing on the wrong issue. His laning I think is what needs to be looked at.

His laning is mostly what I was referring to. I just pointed out in general that he has very little weakness throughout the entire game.

Kuroi861 votes

Then we do agree there. And personally, it's easier to hit a champs early game than it is hit late game.

BeatzBoyFTW4 votes

Lol got downvoted since Op got embarassed by the truth :p

Edit: Accidentally hit the edit button :p Juz saying that Gnar already got nerfed about 2 times before, and OP here got flipped out by Ahri's 1st nerfs.

GM4tL8dFsI1 votes

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Lol got downvoted since Op got embarassed by the truth :p

Edit: Accidentally hit the edit button :p Juz saying that Gnar already got nerfed about 2 times before, and OP here got flipped out by Ahri's 1st nerfs.

I don't play ahri and I could care less about ahri, the point was that they prioritized ahri over gnar. I didn't downvote you either, I haven't touched any upvote/downvote buttons but okay.

1st HanarSpectre3 votes

He's been nerfed the two previous patches. I'm assuming they are waiting to see the results before further nerfs. Anyway, play Irelia and wreck him if you hate him that much.

GM4tL8dFsI3 votes

Irelia doesn't wreck him, I'm an irelia main. In theory irelia should, but there isn't a lot of room for kill potential. you can't minion hop to him because he'll just slow you and jump.

Joquan2 votes

Cause all those times irelia's kill gnar in a 1v1 at the lcs doesn't mean anything right?

Seriously, if gnar tries to fight you, you can beat him with irelia if he chooses to fight you.

If he doesn't, then just go for CS. If he attacks you while you are going for cs, then fight him?

And if you respond with "slow and jump"

How about....

  1. Dodging the boomerang
  2. Using your E which is a stun/slow?
GM4tL8dFsI1 votes

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Cause all those times irelia's kill gnar in a 1v1 at the lcs doesn't mean anything right?

Seriously, if gnar tries to fight you, you can beat him with irelia if he chooses to fight you.

If he doesn't, then just go for CS. If he attacks you while you are going for cs, then fight him?

And if you respond with "slow and jump"

How about....

  1. Dodging the boomerang
  2. Using your E which is a stun/slow?
  1. The boomerang is easy to hit
  2. You press E, he gets out of the stun and hops away, you q him and his mvspeed lets him kite you.

Whats step 3?

Show me the video of irelia 1v1ing gnar without jungle intervention and where it didn't include a dumb cheese move that works once in a couple games. I wasn't watching LCS.

This is coming from hundreds and close to a thousand games on irelia, with a lot of gnar games since his release, irelia doesn't beat gnar.

Joquan1 votes

Show me the video of irelia 1v1ing gnar without jungle intervention and where it didn't include a dumb cheese move that works once in a couple games. I wasn't watching LCS.

Unfortunately for me, your correct on this one. I rewatched LCS and the times I saw Irelia kill gnar involved being in a bush and the gnar had no idea that irelia was there.

Should probally analyze what's going on in these games more often. Was only gold I ( was still climbing though ) season 4 so don't take my opinion too lightly

Sciaphobia233 votes

Having just played ahri after the patch, I have to say its a stupidly high nerf.

E is absolutely pointless now and you may as well just trade with Q, throw and run which does absolutely no damage whatsoever since all it got was a crappy speed boost. Effectively your combo has lost a ton of damage.

My last game I was just against a katarina (the 'other' balanced assassin) I hit 3 charms in a row followed by Q, W and an ult. She went to just under half hp. On the other side, she shunpo's me, W and ults, instant death before I even had chance to react.

#ritobalance

JØJł1 votes

"We're rito games, we're going to give compensation to ahri for removing DFG" -> nerfs ahri -> gives speed boost to "compensate" the damage -> gg rito

missinggrave1 votes

Top lane Ahri master race. Seriously, I refuse to play mid with her anymore, especially after her "buff" from the latest patch. Top lane Ahri has the harass, early sustain if you start flask + pots, wave clear, and mobility to stay safe up there. Her true damage also helps against tanks and your spells forces them into MR even if you have an AD jungle so it's a safe bet as long as your comfortable against your lane opponent. Plus Q is a GREAT kiting tool now if nothing else. If I can outrun a Teemo and Yi using only charm + orb, I'd say it's an unconventional but safe pick until she gets a better rework/buff.

Sciaphobia231 votes

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Top lane Ahri master race. Seriously, I refuse to play mid with her anymore, especially after her "buff" from the latest patch. Top lane Ahri has the harass, early sustain if you start flask + pots, wave clear, and mobility to stay safe up there. Her true damage also helps against tanks and your spells forces them into MR even if you have an AD jungle so it's a safe bet as long as your comfortable against your lane opponent. Plus Q is a GREAT kiting tool now if nothing else. If I can outrun a Teemo and Yi using only charm + orb, I'd say it's an unconventional but safe pick until she gets a better rework/buff.

This is ironic because this exactly where all the forgotten midlaners end up. Its also killing toplane tanking altogether.

Narasimha1 votes

His weakness is SUPPOSED to be his squishy form in lane, but it's just as strong as his mega form.

I'm not sure how you've missed it, but you do know Mini-gnar is one of the few champions in game vulnerable to both pokes AND all-ins? He doesn't have the burst for short intense fights, and he doesn't have the health to health regen or withstand consistent poke. Champions with these in their kits tend to simply outlast Gnar, unless they try and do something stupid like chase him.

Darius Fiora Gangplank Jayce Pantheon Nidalee and so on and so forth. There are plenty of options.

junglerboy161 votes

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Really? The champion that can 50% an entire team with a full tank build? really? and dont tell me it takes a massive amount of skill to play him. his laning phase is easy and so is his teamfight. his jumping around bullshit is too good of an escape

Here's the problem I have. I don't know how it is in lower ELO's but Gnar when played with a semi-experienced gnar player has no weakness other than against champions with low cd all ins with massive gap closers(RIVEN). His jump isn't his only escape mechanism, his slow works as one as well. His weakness is SUPPOSED to be his squishy form in lane, but it's just as strong as his mega form. THEN when he gets out of mega form you can't get ANYWHERE near him because of his mobility. There is so little room to outplay this champion or even counterplay when played at a certain level and it's ridiculous.

His slow is easy to hit, he's manaless which means nonstop harass and escape spams and his mega gnar form's spells are ALL ccs with MASSIVE amounts of damage and animation delay on champions that it hits, and to top it off, just like Cassiopeia, if you get in range and get hit by one of his slows while running away, you get punished incredibly hard.

I'm not saying to nerf this champion to oblivion, but at least nerf his mobility so he'd have to play atleast SOMEWHAT safe in lane. It's WAY too tough to win lane 1v1 or even farm under tower against him and I can safely say he has no real hard counter.

I fixed your typo. On a serious note, I have no idea if Riven counters him or not, and I agree Gnar is too strong, I just wanted to point out that one of the most popular AD toplaners in the game has exactly what you said is needed to go up against him.

ImHerVoice1 votes

riven gets SHIT ON by gnar

what the fuck are you talking about? Its not even funny how one sided that match up is

junglerboy161 votes

Read what the OP said:

has no weakness other than against champions with low cd all ins with massive gap closers(nobody).

I was simply pointing out that Riven is a champion with extremely potent, low CD all ins and has gap close out the wazoo. I don't know or really care if Riven is good or bad against Gnar, all I'm saying is he either wants Riven or is completely clueless how to actually counter Gnar, because according to his parameters, Riven ought to hard counter Gnar. Please use your reading comprehension skills before swearing at my posts for no reason, it is rather sophomoric.

ImHerVoice1 votes

rivens cd's are stupidly high. You have to buy CDR to even make her playable. thankfully AD caster items are broken so thats not an issue but the champion herself has very high CD's espically considering she's literally entirely gated by CD's alone.

Visions of Rage1 votes

gnar does not need nerfs he is fine if you nerf gnar renektons just going to his place at and gnars rage is a huge weakness he only has 15 seconds to do somthing if your team engages soon as its gone you will win the fight and gnar is extremely squishy early just kill him

JØJł1 votes

That's why I like to play Shyvanna top. Just /try/ to dodge his boomerangs, he can't hit all of them... and just watch his rage bar or w/e it is. Stay away from him when he turns into mega, and dodge his boulder toss. I usually wait until he's back into mini or if he's near half health as mega, and I have my ult up, I can go in and kill him.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Gnar + DFG was OP indeed

junglerboy161 votes

Nobody listened when they gave him the "magic Gnar" buff to his ult. Gnar is hurt by DFG going away almost as much as Garen.

Gunpoint1 votes

Didn't they buff Ahri?

JJ H0G1 votes

Stand behind minion wave when he's in mini form to dodge his boomerangs, which have an 8 sec CD until he gets cdr and/or his ult.

His jump is high CD early, too. You said you are an Irelia main, and her dash is on a much lower CD than gnar's.

If you make him miss his Q catch, then he is very easy to all in.

Oh, and Darius, Chogath, Fiora, Jayce, Olaf, Gangplank, and XinZhao all work pretty well against him if you play it right. They can all either A). Bait his jump and zone him/all in him when it's on CD. B). Out poke him. C). Out trade him in drawn out fights. D). Ignore any and all CC he drops on them.

Plz no more QQ.

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