@Meddler Why can't Morde have W without a teammate?

GigglesO··2 votes·671 views

I'm not sure it was ever really discussed as to why Morde couldn't have his W outside of a minion wave or a nearby ally?

Having his W outside of a nearby ally and minion would allow him to have a larger expression of skill outside of lane phase. Currently his decision making looks something like this. Am I in a minion wave that I'm trying to build up a shield in, no, press W twice really fast for burst heal. Meanwhile if he had W unlocked outside of minion waves and allies you now get to play this risk reward game. It becomes:

Do I leave W up to try and get shield/damage, do I double pop it for instant healing. There would be clear instances for both situations.

The damage/shield value could be used in small skirmishes where you need the extra shielding for long term low damage fights. The extra damage could also be used to keep people slowed with rylis, and stop people from straight up out walking you (since morde has 325 base movement speed). Meanwhile the heal would be better for countering waves of burst, and getting your health back up so you can get your W heal back up faster. Four seconds (because of longer cd when you hold onto W) is a long time to wait when you really need to get your heal back up faster. Double poping W twice fast, also gives a more instantaneous shield, allowing you to shield bust damage better.

Having it fully unlocked would show expression of skill on each morde player. Knowing the difference between instant pop and getting damage could potentially be huge.

There also isn't much of a reason to force him to only have it with a teammate or minion wave, is there?

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CannabisOverlord2 votes

THIS is literally spot on, and would make him so much more viable to play in more comps and against more comps

GULAG 4 U1 votes

But mordekaiser isn't weak...?

GigglesO2 votes

But he needs QoL changes. Especially in the bug fix department. Rylis nerf also made him less fun to play.

Mordepool2 votes

Holy shit might even get his Jungle winrate out of the 33% range

GigglesO1 votes

That would be fantastic.

Ahristocats1 votes

i'm ok with his W not working with allies, this allows more counterplay against morde

if morde is weak he should be balanced around needing an ally for W damage/seconds

because let me remind you that his W deals a total of 490+120% AP

GigglesO1 votes

The first part of Morde's W is 75/s +22.5% AP Which is on par with other champions like karthus, who is ranged, and has 335 MS.

If you are playing ap morde to abuse that then you probably are only going in with a teammate. Even old ap morde didn't kill people by burning them down with W.

Unlocking W would be more relevant to tankier morde builds.

Edit: As a reminder Karthus has more hp than morde at level 18... Morde does however have 3 more armor, and MR growth per level. For all intensive purposes Morde has the base stats of a mid lane mage.

Ahristocats1 votes

{quoted}

Unlocking W would be more relevant to tankier morde builds.

look at the base damage and cooldown

GigglesO1 votes

75/s and 22.5% ap with a CD of 8 seconds after W ends.

That is a total of 300 and 90% that takes 4 seconds to deal.

That means from start to finish it has a 12 second cooldown at max rank if you use W to deal damage. If it was a 90% ap ratio per second I would be drooling right now. He gets the W pop either way, so the only effective change would be the DPS without a teammate.

If you are going ap morde to abuse the 75+ 22.5%/second ap ratio on an 8 second cooldown, you are going to be really squishy. The other day I played against a full ap morde, and he died before he even got 1 spell off.

Edit: Also, if you are full ap trying to burn someone to death with Mordes' W, you might want to try activating Q, you can do a lot more damage, a lot faster. Ap morde doesn't take 4 seconds to kill someone. Its 1 2 flash 3 and they poof.

Zane Zephyr1 votes

I'm pretty sure it was because he could push people out of lane constantly and had neigh infinite sustain and really oppressing in a solo lane.

GigglesO1 votes

That was before his rework though. His E did more damage, he had a more reliable shield, and his Q allowed him to wave clear and sustain his shield better. That was also before the removal of item 3145 giving early easy to get spell vamp.

Edit: For clarification, he also used to have higher base stats

GigglesO1 votes

Well, three comments, better than I thought would happen, back to the land of the ignored because they aren't a popular champion.

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