I can't believe that Darius rework. QQ thread

Dormidon··10 votes·3,761 views
8/4 PBE Update

Hello. I'm really upset guys. Just look at this:

  1. Decimate - Blade damage (outer circle) changed to 20/40/60/80/100 (+1.0/1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4 total Attack Damage) from 105/157.5/210/262.5/315 (+1.05 bonus Attack Damage) Just look at this. For example old Darius has 71 damage at first level = (56+15 AD runes) 120 phys. dmg Q at first level. Now he got around 91 dmg with Q at first lvl. That would deal 50 damage to item 1029 Malphite . This is not easy to land blade zone Q anymore (0,75 sec delay) and even if you manage you won't deal any damage to opponent. Physical damage passive is quite good for item 3071 but in lane it's so worthless. His pushing power is weak too. 10 dmg + 0.5 total AD to wave of creeps? Really? 45.5 damage!? Really!?
  2. Apprehend (E) - Fixed a bug where enemies would be pulled in if they escaped the area during the cast time. This shit was the only thing why Darius could do something against hit and run poke tactics. Remember Renekton e > w > q > e away? Or Riven q>w>q>q>e away? Darius was able to quick cast E before their escape to punish them. So I guess these guys are free to do everything they want to without any risk now. Darius lost his laning power completely. 160 base true damage or 100? Sigh. This worthless damage passive won't work against Riven. She will burst him down too goddamn fast. (Armor nerf patch, yay!) 3.** Noxian Guillotine** - Upon executing an enemy champion, all nearby lesser creatures (non-champions) become terrified for a few seconds. This looks really cool but why is he scaring allies creeps? Darius can't really escape. He got really low mobility. So when he gets ganked the only thing he can do is running away to his creep wave. As you know they deal a lot of damage to units that attack their champion. Darius will stop them attacking his opponents by scaring them. 10/10
  3. **Crippling Strike ** - doesnt provide AA slow anymore. All heil Irelia Tryndamere Fiora ! 140% total attack damage? Crap... So he's going to learn 2 points of W and then max E. Worthless 1 second of MS slow. 1 second, Carl He gets even more kited and poked by ranged champions. He can't pull them from their escapes (good bye flash pull bug), he can't slow them as long as he needs to (1 second!). He got literally 0 damage on his Q. I have no idea how Darius will stick to ranged opponent without MS buff on his passive and stack 5 bleeding things. No idea. I'm dissapointed. This late game "buff" worth nothing at all. He was the best 1v1 champion in this game (early game). Now it looks like he became the worst 1v1 champion ever. Fiora got ripost and passive points. Irelia got stun and epic sustain power. Jax is able to dodge any AA for 2 seconds. Old Darius had burst/aa slow at least. Now he got nothing. Really. Fuck this worthless 40-200 bonus damage with passive - this is not easy to stack this up with low attack speed and new Q. What's the deal if he will lose any match up now without any chance to comeback? I need to refund my RP for every skin and IP for champion itself.

57 Comments

Dormidon5 votes

They just gutted all his kit just to balance this new BLOODRAGE nonsence. Sigh... What's the deal with this BLOODRAGE? He's calm one. Cold minded killer. Just hit enemy's jugular artery make him suffer and bleed then execute like a boss. We've got enough berserks this game Olaf Tryndamere Sion . "Make no mistake" "Exploit every weakness" Yeah... RRRHAAAGE! HULK CRUSH! ... Makes no sence at all.

SKOBODO4 votes

You have to take his Bloodrage passive into account. Gaining 40-200 AD is a big deal.

Dormidon1 votes

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You have to take his Bloodrage passive into account. Gaining 40-200 AD is a big deal.

I'd like to see how you would stack this without old Q and with this attack speed. For example against Riven at level 6. Old Darius could lose to her because it takes so long to release his burst. New Darius will suck completely.

Caytheles2 votes

It's called a counter bro, Everyone has one.

TigerMama Gemgem2 votes

So.... everyone counters Darius in laning phase...? We didn't need another nasus.

Caytheles2 votes

No i mean Every champ has a counter. I am sure that this Darius Counters alot of champions. Just gotta play him right.

TigerMama Gemgem1 votes

Not with those stats he doesn't...

Captain Aishi1 votes

the problem is that these changes just make darius weaker in every matchup (his good matchups become bad(irelia, trynd,etc.) , his bad matchups become horrible (yi, yasuo, etc.))

N7Shurtugal1 votes

a nasus is just so much more viable than a darius, don't compare nasus to darius. nasus is a beast a demigod late game, darius is a pumching bag.

N7Shurtugal1 votes

he already admitted riven is a counter and darius sucked against her, despite being the guy with no melee counter ahem ahem. he also said darius sucks completely now. means he cant even go in lane with her. he has to tower hug now with ur new darius, and ya he had counters, now every champ is a soft counter and actual counters r like stay at base counter. so the problem is not called counter, cos that's not the debate here, he is too weak to counter any1 actually. late game team fights buff count for nothing when there is no early game. cos darius kitable mechanics is not for late game it was for early game. It's like how nasus being a late game team fight champ with no early game. the fact he survived till late game means he has an early game! tower farm ,no gank ,no pressure, heal all poke is his early game.

N7Shurtugal1 votes

you have to take this into account that its a good idea and us darius main were happy about it but not the 5 ability changes to kill his early lane for good,and with a cherry on top his attack speed too, so u have to take into account, riot can take their blood rage back and flush it. we don't need it if that's the price

Garurumon3 votes

"He was the best 1v1 champion in this game"

No.

No he was not.

This is the only thing that I'll comment one, because it was the only thing that really disturbed me.

Dormidon2 votes

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"He was the best 1v1 champion in this game"

No.

No he was not.

This is the only thing that I'll comment one, because it was the only thing that really disturbed me.

Oh tell me more. Xin? Voli? )))

Garurumon1 votes

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Oh tell me more. Xin? Voli? )))

Litterally any champion that could survive his initial burst would do. Which is any champion that isn't 100% squishy.

Jax for one.

Dormidon1 votes

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Litterally any champion that could survive his initial burst would do. Which is any champion that isn't 100% squishy.

Jax for one.

Well if you think so... then why the hell did they nerf his laning phase?

Garurumon1 votes

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Well if you think so... then why the hell did they nerf his laning phase?

Can you be a little more clear?

Whose laning phase? Jax's or Darius'?

Dormidon1 votes

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Can you be a little more clear?

Whose laning phase? Jax's or Darius'?

Darius's

Garurumon1 votes

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Darius's

I don't know if you have noticed, but the only thing Darius can do right on live is his lane phase. That's almost a guaranteed win vs any melee champion. But Riot's at least aiming for more power and efficiency towards lategame, that's at least what they have been talking about when it comes to him.

My idea so for is that with the fact that his abilities now scale with a lot of AD instead of having large AD base damage, he'll scale incredibly with AD (even more than before), so that he can't just be built as a full tank and still deal tons of damage.

In fact, I only think the slow removal will have such a large impact in lane phase. When it comes to lategame, anyone that would come near him would already be dead. To the question: you can't just add power without removing some. They remove from lane phase to give his scaling a boost, which will definately be noticable.

TigerMama Gemgem2 votes

He still needs an attack speed slow to do anything against an ad carry unless they expect crit darius to become a thing. Why does riot remove all the attack speed slows? There's like what? 2 on champions left?

N7Shurtugal1 votes

Holy Shit. Darius is a snowballing champ. which is why he had high trading potential Darius is a slow ass champ with no sustain or escape which is why he had that high trading potential (ap bleed, armor pen) Darius is not l.ike renekton who can dash to an enemy adc and lock that adc for a moment, who has mobility, sustain, and NO MANA. which is why he had high trading potential.( NOT HIGH BURST) like riven or jax ok?The high burst? can only be done through his dunk ok? which is why he had no cd as a reward for scoring a kill with a slow ass champion. his Asian dick size hook? was needed to just get that trade in for those escape reliant champs like lee sin ,riven, chogath, fizz, hence the 20 sec cd. ( note its not 2 sec cd like rivens q it's 20 sec) ok? funny how fiora can block anything with a .75 sec timer and how it requires foresight and thought to use it according to riot but not darius hook! it doesn't take skills to grab that ezreal blink over wall after he done his all to kill ur teammates and doesn't even need skills to use up your flash just to get that close for that 1 chance.....no its not skill its a bug! apparently it doesn't need foresight and thought and timing like zed or fiora which is why his hook mattered a lot to at least had a good trade ok? Darius can be shut down even if his opponent is not a counter by getting ganked ok? he gets really behind ok? Darius is a HIGH RISK HIGH REWARD CHAMP ok? aint no1 champ in lol is riskier than darius both in lane and in team fight. ok? which is why he had THAT HIGH TRADING POTENTIAL ok? He used to suck in late team fights even more than renekton for a reason for his early snowballing factor. which was with his complete cd on ult at lvl 6. he still use to suck at late game cos of that big early snowballing factor. ur nerd rage on darius is good for him only at low elos. his nerd rage can be kited too u know? his q can be easily kited now, but don't know why any1 will bother to kite it anyway. don't even kite his w dude. just kite his nerd rage and every1 is fine Because of whiners like u and noob riot employees who gets their ass handed by a good darius they finally decided to get rid of the cd on dunk. which made him half of a snoballer of what he used to be ok?and he sucked 2wice more in late game ok? darius needed an initiator, a tank, a peeler and range kite in his team to be effective. now they nerfed him to the GROUND , like nerfed him under a tombstone now ok? but the nerd rage sounds too good right? that 200 ad? so noobs like u are still afraid of that 200 ad ? and by the way if anything his Q should have done more damage with delay not less. So I challenge every 1 and any1 to prove us darius main players just how good he is now ok?

Garurumon1 votes

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(bullshit)

Are you mad because you're not Diamond like the rest of us?

N7Shurtugal1 votes

no I am not mad of not being diamond....plat is a challenge diamond is impossible.....and don't know how this involves anywhere with me being diamond. will go to diamond of my own time how long ever it takes. And u r silver 3 , and don't tell me ur smurf ain't no way u have so many losses that u can be a smurf, and ur normal's around what used to be as mine when I was silver. My point is then do play darius in ur diamond rank and c how u get ur ass handed in the game and then come back and share ur opinion k? this is why he had the old q with aa with it for that damage....and every other thing from the start.... .....nvm u will never play darius seriously and continue to say he is just perfect no matter what...or at least that attitudee

N7Shurtugal1 votes

fights in lane takes longer than a teamfight, hence darius can fight longer in a lane fight than a teamfight, riot's aim towards powerand efficiency for his terrible late game was welcome, but no point to have a late game when he doesn't have any early game, riot could give his blood rage at lvl 16 only after acquiring no cd dunk. and keep his old kit that would work . any1 who comes near him will get a bit of backrub and massage, with that delayed half damage q with no way to land aa and w mean while. Heck all the riven, fiora, vayne will get a free nuru massage from darius cos it would be the start of their pentakill for sure

Sasogwa2 votes

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Oh tell me more. Xin? Voli? )))

Better lategame duellists than Darius : Fizz Jax MasterYi Nasus Trundle Tryndamere Udyr Zed Volibear Warwick Yasuo XinZhao

And a bunch I'd need to check out, depending on their builds. Also a bunch of sated junglers.

But that doesn't change the fact you're right in the fact that Darius will become worthless in short trades. It's all about all-inning right now, to obtain bloodrage (via having 5 stacks) and start destroying his opponents.

Dormidon1 votes

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Better lategame duellists than Darius : Fizz Jax MasterYi Nasus Trundle Tryndamere Udyr Zed Volibear Warwick Yasuo XinZhao

And a bunch I'd need to check out, depending on their builds. Also a bunch of sated junglers.

But that doesn't change the fact you're right in the fact that Darius will become worthless in short trades. It's all about all-inning right now, to obtain bloodrage (via having 5 stacks) and start destroying his opponents.

So what do you think about maxing E second, mate? At first rank it provides max MS slow as old used to be. He's full AD dmg champion now so I guess armpen would be good with him.

Sasogwa1 votes

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So what do you think about maxing E second, mate? At first rank it provides max MS slow as old used to be. He's full AD dmg champion now so I guess armpen would be good with him.

I dunno. Maxing E only gives CD reduction and not real combat stat. I'd max W for the slow and cooldown -> being able to put 5 stacks asap to my opponent. Also maybe take triforce. I'd try to have as much stickiness and tankiness as people. Might even go Frozen Mallet or sthg even though the stats are kinda garbage. boots+item 3078 item 3143 item 3065 item 3022 item 3110 oritem 3102 or item 3075

I'm not sure about if we should get cdr. Reducing the CD of hook seems great, but even at rank 5, even with 40% cdr you're hardly gonna do a lot of grabs.

And I'm not sure about you mean about full AD champion. If you mean all his ratios/damage are about his AD, well yeah. If you mean you have to build him full AD, well no. Especially since bloodrage gives so much AD. Oh I see, the bleed is physical now.

Maybe item 3142 could be good?

N7Shurtugal1 votes

in your dreams pal, his delayed q kit fucked up his mechanic good don't bother playing him at all. he is just too slow in every sense now. no burst, no speed, no damage, unless.....................the 5 stacks! which by then u will be dead. and dude, if u main the guy, u should already know this, this darius is only gonna win unless ur team carried u or ur opponent throws, nothing else.

Caytheles1 votes

Reported. and also just play him smarter now. it wont be that hard.

N7Shurtugal1 votes

maybe I went overboard a bit hence the report, I apologize, but my points still stands he is too weak and hence riot can take their blood rage back and flush it and give us the old darius back so he becomes a bit more viable.

and don't tell me to play him smarter when u can't play him at all, or at least show me sum1 who can ok?

I will make sure to add the guys and spectate to learn his moves. I can play darius a lot smarter than u ever will... I owned chogath to vlad to annie to cassiopia to riven to maplh , yorick, jayce, gnar by playing it smart. and yeah they were all in a variety of gold to diamonds so ya think I play darius pretty smart thank u for ur academic expert response. Which u most certainly can never do, cos u can't play as smart as me, u will need ur jungle help, cant 1 v1 them but I could, and now people like u will say how it proves ur point 1nce again how darius was op, actually it took me 3 years of maining him to be that good with him is the only reasoned I owned my said counters cos I played smart. so I say 1nce again to riot u guys show us how darius is free elo ,the new or old, take ur pick and

And since ur no help at all, as a matter of fact a whole bunch of negative help. think I should REPORT u too for spamming reported everywhere. a guy can't express his thoughts in a board when they screw up a champ without permission ? all of a sudden when people bought the champ and skins and invest so much time perfecting their craft?

Dormidon1 votes

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maybe I went overboard a bit hence the report, I apologize, but my points still stands he is too weak and hence riot can take their blood rage back and flush it and give us the old darius back so he becomes a bit more viable.

and don't tell me to play him smarter when u can't play him at all, or at least show me sum1 who can ok?

I will make sure to add the guys and spectate to learn his moves. I can play darius a lot smarter than u ever will... I owned chogath to vlad to annie to cassiopia to riven to maplh , yorick, jayce, gnar by playing it smart. and yeah they were all in a variety of gold to diamonds so ya think I play darius pretty smart thank u for ur academic expert response. Which u most certainly can never do, cos u can't play as smart as me, u will need ur jungle help, cant 1 v1 them but I could, and now people like u will say how it proves ur point 1nce again how darius was op, actually it took me 3 years of maining him to be that good with him is the only reasoned I owned my said counters cos I played smart. so I say 1nce again to riot u guys show us how darius is free elo ,the new or old, take ur pick and

And since ur no help at all, as a matter of fact a whole bunch of negative help. think I should REPORT u too for spamming reported everywhere. a guy can't express his thoughts in a board when they screw up a champ without permission ? all of a sudden when people bought the champ and skins and invest so much time perfecting their craft?

Calm your tits, man. This thread is kinda old. 16 days ago. Now I changed my mind about Darius. He's actually not that bad. He needs some improvements but he's viable already. (Fix animation bugs, increase E range for a little, let him opporunity to flash while casting Q). I've played few games with him yesterday and won only 46%. Not so good for Darius main but I need some more time to practise with new toolkit. And actually I got some bad luck. P.S Yes, He's not exactly Darius now as he used to be. He's not even Darius anymore to be honest. But he is fine.

OmManiPadmeHum1 votes

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Better lategame duellists than Darius : Fizz Jax MasterYi Nasus Trundle Tryndamere Udyr Zed Volibear Warwick Yasuo XinZhao

And a bunch I'd need to check out, depending on their builds. Also a bunch of sated junglers.

But that doesn't change the fact you're right in the fact that Darius will become worthless in short trades. It's all about all-inning right now, to obtain bloodrage (via having 5 stacks) and start destroying his opponents.

I think you missed Riven

Sasogwa1 votes

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I think you missed Riven

She was actually on my (unwritten) list of champions to check out. Darius isn't that bad after all in duels. At 5 stacks, his ult should deal 50% of Riven's health, and if he specifically builds armor and a bit of damage, he could win.

Dormidon1 votes

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She was actually on my (unwritten) list of champions to check out. Darius isn't that bad after all in duels. At 5 stacks, his ult should deal 50% of Riven's health, and if he specifically builds armor and a bit of damage, he could win.

First of all his R at first rank deal around 250-290 damage with his fully stacked passive. Old one = 380 true damage. Even against old Darius Riven used her level 6 burst way way faster than he did. Q-auto-Q-stun-auto-Q-R execute. She could dodge his old insta Q without problems with her Valor. Now this is... well.. As or me it became just like Nasus matchup for her.

N7Shurtugal2 votes

exactly, so many melee champs can go trade with darius, even nasus if darius doesn't wanna push his lane and let nasus farm his q, at lvl 6 nasus stil wrecks darius.(well cos of sustain)dariushas to eventually back .

so tired of seeing noob threads and whiners no1 can 1v1 with darius as melee. they will never think that they got out played by a slow moving darius,it cant be that! they cant be that bad! they r too good ! they got a penta kill in a weekly basis! how can a nob lord darius can dunk them? unless he is op? pls nerf darius o noooh!

Dormidon2 votes

I understand he recieved decent mid game-late buff but goddamn... This is so weird. Darius sucks in lane. What nonsence is this? At least we need some reward for using Q properly but it does even less damage! Why on the Earth you would do that?

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

his q heals him for a % of missing hp up to 30%

GloriousKaiser1 votes

Renekton Mine's better.

Knight SoIaire 2 votes

early game ... yeah

mid game ... nope

Captain Aishi1 votes

mid game darius Q, 30% of missing health (hitting 3 champs) mid game renekton Q, 360 flat hp (hitting 3 champs) darius needs to be missing 1200 HP for his Q to heal him more at that point, still iffy

N7Shurtugal1 votes

30% MISSING HP IS SITUATIONAL MORE LIKE 10 % MISSING HP, AND NEITHER AMOUNT IS NOTHING AT HIGH ELO TEAMFIGHTS ESPECIALLY WITH THE FUCKING DELAY!

Caytheles1 votes

Reported

N7Shurtugal1 votes

STOP REPORTING AND DELETING MY COMMENTS. YOU R ABUSING UR POWER AND I AM SORRY IF I OVER DID IT BUT DAMN THIS DARIUS SUCKS ASS CANT DUNK FOR SHIT, CANT DRIBBLE FOR SHIT. AND ITS NOT BAD ENOUGH THAT CRYBABIES LIKE YOU MADE MY DARIUS NERFED TO THE GROUND U REPORT ME WITHOUT U SHOWING ME SOME PROOF OF HIM BEING VIABLE AT ALL. SO GUESS WHAT REPORT U BACK DARIUS BUTT HURT NOOB!

Knight SoIaire 1 votes

30% missing hp is good but that delay feels long as fk indeed

Dormidon1 votes

This is dumb. New W. 140% total dmg at every rank. 40-50-60-70-80% MS slow for 1 second. 9-8-7-6-5 sec CD. Without passive reduction. Old W. 120-140-160-180-200% total damage. 10-20-30-40% MS-AS slow for 2 seconds. The same CD + passive reduction. As for me now this is so worthless to max W as a second priority spell. Gives almost the same bonus as old one at rank 2 (40% slow + 140% total damage). I wish if they made 2 seconds as it used to be. 1 second, Carl... Is that some kind of joke!?

N7Shurtugal1 votes

So this is what darius needs the old kit was just fine. and when riot said they wanted to give him blood rage cos of his late team fights , it was the right thing to do and us darius main where happy,now they didn't mention what they had in mind with 5 of his abilities. u c riot we don't need those 5 changes, it's not worth it to get blood rage for those 5 major changes. u guys can have ur blood rage back and give us those 5 old dribble moves back pls, we bought that bad ass skin and he sould be a bad ass not a bitch ass

N7Shurtugal1 votes

That's it! I can't take it anymore of people saying Darius is strong or op or fine.I am sorry I will have to strongly disagree to that.Why because he can smash any melee who opposes him? Actually Darius needs that no cd dunk more than ever, because he is really not that strong anymore as he is supposed to ( not used to).Actually Darius used to be healthy but not anymore.I used to main Garen and then wanted a champion with an ult that will at least do something even if used early and thats how i started maining Darius.So I have a general idea of what I am about to say.

I mained Darius when he first came out ( nerfed ).I mained him when his q was op ( nerfed ) mained him when his base ad was op ( nerfed ) mained him when his hook used to drag through knock back! not any more. like lee sin ult + ward dash or flash and trist ult + her rocket jump( nerfed ) mained him when his dunk had more damage (nerfed and scaling ( nerfed )was no cd op (nerfed ),mained him when his dunk was 14 secs and then at 20 secs and still main him at no cd at lvl 16 so trust me.I play darius so much I like Darius more than league and heve to admit like dunking more than league.I didn't chose the life of dunking, it chose me.

Speaking freely this is why, darius is simply a snoballing champ who falls off late game in team fights.

1.Darius was supposed to be the melee fighter who destroys any other melee thats why ( although which is not the case anymore),because u don't really need to be a ranged harass to beat him.Hence need the no cd back.Because he has no escape no sustain at all and less usefull in team fight aka less usefull at late game champion.

2.Darius used to have such a mechanic too, snoballing, Darius is good at snoballing you all say? Actually he used to be. But hence the nerf heh he is not a good snoballer at all. So what's the big deal? Then at the end what is Darius really good at? Than any other champion? What does Darius have? Basically every other champion in league( top lane in general ) has a better kit or better mechanic than Darius and ultimately more useful in the game and in teamfights.

I say this because winning is just not about skills anymore.( yes it's true ).A lot of other factors weigh in too such as the game mechanic,for instance like initiation.

For instance a top Darius vs maplh/ jungle panthoen vs vi / mid Ahri vs Ziggs/ bot Ashe(any1)and Soraka vs Lucian and Braum. Given that evermy member in darius team is ahead than their repective opponents in gold/cs/dragon buffs/ etc...in team fights the other team will still win.

He used to snoball 'cos that's what he was designed to do,and because he is a 0 mobility, no escape, all in, no sustain,lane shoving, prone to gank, heavy risk, easy to shut down through gank, mana based and a fall off late game champion.Satisfied? Still no?

Here's some way more than ur normal melee counters for darius and just how they are more useful or better in team fight or in the game itself in general.How they have better mechanic and why Darius shouldn't be played.And pls don't feel free to disagree even though it's just my opinion to those of you havent played draft or rank with him or at least played him in general.

Aatrox?. Sure can be outplayed and eventually defeated but specifically hence the ult nerfs Darius can't beat him if building damage or taking poke.(To those who says so what's the big deal?).He is 1nce again a snoballing champ.cos 1 Q and lane is shoved and the eventual gank / death or lane shoved if traded he will heal back at turret.and Darius was supposed to be the guy

Tryndamere? lose if Darius lets him get his fury up or shove lane with trade and gank risk/death/ no escape/ he has sutain, escape,ranged slow and 1nce again just so useful in destroying turrets backdoor getting the other carries with his ult.Back door twice with ult on any turret without no minions its down.

Cho'Gath? He has sustain if he survived trades or gank he will get back to health in no time.he has a strong knock up, a strong high damage poke silence and a faster ult true damage just as Darius.Can still be out played through right build,runes and masteries.Just need to dodge the knock back and let him push a bit. like 4.5% ms and running 15/12/3 with boots.But still just so much more usefull in teamfights in mechanics in ganking a lane,and proceed to " snoball" etc....

Mundo? Can be out played too provided u are alive from gank and the poke.but still that slow! that tank! in teamfights I mean it's so easy for Mundo to keep an out of position enemy to keeping them out of position.and that tank!Still more usefull in a team than Darius so yeah he needs the no cd dunk because he can't snoball 'cos he used to be healthy in the game but not any more.Once again he used to snoball 'cos that's what he was designed to do,and because he is a 0 mobility, no escape, all in, no sustain, heavy risk, easy to shut down through gank, mana based champion and a fall off late game champion. Lol.

Ekko? skill matchup. but still the risk still the poke still all those utilities and uses in the teamfight.

Fizz? The guy can waste ut teams abilities on him and then proceed to "snoball".Yes can still be out played provided u dodge his ult, built speed and dont miss or waste abilities on his troll pole.But stil a better assassin better burst on squeshees, better in team fights and in the game itself in general.

Fiora? Sure can beat her, but that ult!which cannot be peeled ur squshees from and because she has the same retarded build strategy like riven.Hence better in teamfights 'cos she can actually go in the enemy backline safely.Not like Darius gets ccd at 1st or mid or last, take ur pick.

Gangplank? Sure can be out played, and beaten but he is a counter, and the global lt to help outother lanes, that cleanse, not mentioning the laning problems, hence a better team fights.

Gnar? Irelia? Jarvan ? Jax? Maokai? Hecarim? yeah can be out played but all of them can do a few things ( not something ) better than Darius after the dunk nerf.He is a sno baller an early one at that not a late game sno baller so no cd at lvl 16 does nothing to him.

Gnar- need speed, armor and 5 pots sustain to even hope to outplay him.

Irelia- skil matchup but still better in tf.( assassin/lock down squeshees/ has sustain...etc )

Jarvan- lel. u know his passive? a vampiric scepter is all the damage he needs. he can build sunfire, thornmail, and straight tank after that and dish out way more damage to darius than to him.Still better in teamfights no need to mention his kit any further.

Maokai- no biggy can be beaten even with his sustain and gank pressure cos well lane is shoved, but them cc!, that damage reduction aoe for his whole team! still more useful in a team fight.

Hecarim- can be beaten, out played provided u built speed and dont take trade or damage when he is using his sustain to trade and dunking with 5 stacks with ignite on asap so when he does ults away he still dies and the 15 in offensive mastery the bonus damage under 50 % health really helps to catch him by surprise. but still better roamer/ ganker/ diver ( tower/backline/dragon or baron) better in team fights.no need to mention is kits any further.

Jax? Sure can beat him ....pre 6. After 6 ?provided u beat him pre 6 or didnt let him free farm pre 6 yes otherwise no. which is easy if he tower farms or Darius dies to gank.And speaking of his kit. lel the split push! the tower eating!can 1 v 2 easy the burst and overall usefulness......Darius doesn't even come close. That's why Darius had no cd to dunk right after spawning while the other guy can't, because that's what made him strong in his kit.Because that's what he was supposed to be.

Jayce? Yeah can be out played o_O 1.Through speed, cloth armor,5 pots and that 4.5% and 15 -12 -3 and dodge. and 2.U gotta make sure when to slow or hook at acceleration gate and to be on his side of the turret and him on ur side of the turret b4 he uses his knockback. The hook used to drag him with darius if timed correctly but not after the hook nerf, not anymore :( now it can only drag through flash, jump, dash only to the hooks starting position, not where darius is.so ghost or flash wont help either cos he will use his gate. 3.u have to ward ur lane bush not the river bush, the lane bush. altho wards at both place won't hurt. Just incase he decides to flash on a bush at 5 staks and poke u afar from there and u can't dunk or dodge unless u can c him. But still who is more useful?Who is a 100 times more useful in team fights? through pokes? escapes ? baron and dragon secure? sniping? If u can guess it right i swear i won't hang myself! congrats u got it right! its Jayce.

Lee sin? Just gotta say it here for the world, for the league community, every darius player hates a lee sin with a passion. yes can be beaten. sure, but lets just talk about his kit. Lets just talk about just how useful this guys is, what his job is, 1.he has a free poke/harass just as a mages, followed up by just that big of a kick in the face gap closer. 2.he has a darius aoe cripple (reveal enemies) followed up with sustain. 3. a shield to mitigate damage/ bleeding and a short escape. 4.a knock back ult finisher that goes through the enamies.So if ur following him up on a gank u won't succeed. 5.Any1 ever been trying to escape from lee sin got followed up on his Q kick on the face then a kick back to to ur own tower then a flying kick again as a finisher just 'cos he can to kill u and then verbally abuse u? Well i have, quite a few times, actually, well i played lee sin and ya its just that easy to beat a darius. But damn those kicks are like really offensive a champion that deals damage by kicking is just offensive,then not the knockback as a finisher but another flying kick on top deliberately, and the abuse on top of that yay bully community. But still can be beaten and outplayed....... but who is a gazillion time's useful in teamfights? in the game?

Riven? lolololol .Any 1 who says a Darius can counter riven is a bad riven player.Actually darius used to counter riven but not anymore.She has faster bursts. Darius used to be the guys who can smash any melee champ but not a

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continuation from last discussion on riven . A- anymore.She has faster bursts. Darius used to be the guys who can smash any melee champ but not any more no better example than this in the entire league. won't bother with her kit, her patched buggy automatic auto attacks,not gonna bother how she saves more time on base to lane without boots how she farms jungle without any lifesteal with a shield and not gona bother to tell u of her ult and how it renders flash escape meaningless unless perfectly timed.not gonna mention her use in tf and certainly not gonna mention her retarded item build strategy.Just gonna say this from personal experience. A top darius ahead going 3-0-1 at 160 cs and a mid riven going 0-2-0 with 120 cs,under in level by 1 but guess who beats who? like i said b4 it's ( league )not all about skills anymore its about mechanic too.

Nasus? lololol. every one thinks a darius can counter nasus..ehem ehem....but actually its more of a skil matchup in nasus favour.Nasus has sustain- like crazy sustain, u harass shove lane, waste mana, get ganked or not die or not, if he gets to farm his q pre 6, he wins at 6 the damage is just too much at 6, if darius didnt build defensive.

seriously.... I can go on and on on every single champ in the game they all have their respective kit who can do some things ( plural ) better tahn darius. and coming to my conclusion a slow 0 mobility heavy risk no sustain no defensive ability all in champion. thats why his kit was made to snoball . thats why he had no cd on ult but got nerfed and the hook to boot. not because riot agrees with u or agrees it was op. it's because players like u r crying about opopopopop!!! nerf nerf nerf nerf !!!! rito rito rito rito!!!

Alright, alright, just think about this 1. common sense really.You all seen tryndamere carry, udyr carry, akali carry,riven carry, jayce carry, chogath carry,nasus carry,and many other carried.... repeatedly, how often do u c a darius carry? do u think that those darius is lacking in skill?or lacking in ....ummm ......certain mechanics? still fair he got all those nerfs?

I am telling all of u this again to counter darius u dont need a ranged harass there r a number of melee who can do the job just fine even more than just the examples i put up ther u just need to out play. just pls...pls.....stop whining about it.

do i hear any1 agreeing to this? and then comes even more nerfs and poeple r now complaining about his bloodrage being op.lol if darius can even get to the point to use his blood rage after his shitty mechanics then u deserve to lose.

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