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Unpopular opinion: Need more counterplay to displacement skills

z63XnLCMwX··10 votes·3,846 views

Tenacity exists to counter crowd control, except for suppression and displacement. What exists to counter displacement? It is not a rare CC where a lot of champions in our pool have it. Corki, Draven, Taliyah, Vi has knock aside. Aatrox, Alistar, Aurelion Sol, Azir, Camille, Fizz, Gnar, Gragas, Hecarim, Janna, J4, Kled, Jayce, Lee Sin, Maokai, Ornn, Poppy, Quinn, Rammus, Shyvanna, Syndra, Taliyah, Thresh, Tristana, Trundle, Vayne, Vel Koz, Vi, Win Nao, Yorick, ZIggs, Zac has knock back. Aatrox, Alistar, Blitzcrank, Braum, Cho'Gath, Fizz, Galio, Ivern, Janna, Jarvan IV, Kalista, Lee Sin, Lulu Malphite, Nami Nautilus, Ornn, Poppy, Rakan, Rek'Sai, Riven, Rhaast, Sion, Sejuani, Taliyah, Vi, Wukong, Xin Zhao, Yasuo, Zac, Zyra. has knock ups. Aatrox (champions and large monsters), Blitzcrank, Darius, Diana, Kled, Orianna, Nautilus, Pyke, Singed, Sion, Skarner, Syndra (minions and monsters only), Thresh, Urgot, Vi (non-champions only), Viktor, Volibear has a pull.

Only spell shield, blackshield, and disable immunity can. We got anti shield mechanics from the irelia and aatrox rework, when can we expect an anti displacement mechanics?

13 Comments

Mordepool9 votes

That's Such a popular opinion it's not even funny.

FilDaFunk5 votes

Considering downvoting because of the blatant lie in the title...

z63XnLCMwX1 votes

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Considering downvoting because of the blatant lie in the title...

Most people want counterplay to knockups. Displacement is more than that which includes knock aside, knockback, and pulls. You will see post complaining about knock ups, but how many post complaining about knock backs?

ModAcademy Kayn1 votes

Displacement and Knockups are mechanically the same thing, which is why Yasuo can ult off both.

FilDaFunk1 votes

Yeah, people aren't making the distinction. Doesn't mean the opinion is unpopular.

Glory974 votes

Tenacity has becomen such an easy to aquire stat already an people have becomen so good at using qss well that ordinary cc has lost a lot of its value. Knockups/Displacement are harder to hit in general, because most require you to be in melee range or have a predicatble long cast animation. If you can't lockdown the enemy carry even after you hit a knockup on them it's going to be terrible.

I don't like the fact that everywhone has knockups/displacement, but if we add a direct mechanic to counter it, cc will become terribly weak, needing a direct buff. Which in turn just sets off a series of powercreeping of cc and counter cc. This will shift the meta into two very binary states onwards. Either full cc will become meta, because the direct buff to cc (which is necessary after intoducing a anti-displacement thing) is so strong that it's op. Everyone just takes cc champions and every cc suddenly last 3-5 seconds or something. Or the other version will be that all cc is useless because there is too much counter to it. Resulting in those champions that are especially vulnerable to cc excel. And nobody want to face a yi that can't be stopped with a knockup right?

z63XnLCMwX1 votes

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Tenacity has becomen such an easy to aquire stat already an people have becomen so good at using qss well that ordinary cc has lost a lot of its value. Knockups/Displacement are harder to hit in general, because most require you to be in melee range or have a predicatble long cast animation. If you can't lockdown the enemy carry even after you hit a knockup on them it's going to be terrible.

I don't like the fact that everywhone has knockups/displacement, but if we add a direct mechanic to counter it, cc will become terribly weak, needing a direct buff. Which in turn just sets off a series of powercreeping of cc and counter cc. This will shift the meta in two a very binary state onwards. Either full cc will become meta, because the direct buff to cc (which is necessary after intoducing a anti-displacement thing) is so strong that it's op. Everyone just takes cc champions and every cc suddenly last 3-5 seconds or something. Or the other version will be that all cc is useless because there is too much counter to it. Resulting in those champions that are especially vulnerable to cc excel. And nobody want to face a yi that can't be stopped with a knockup right?

That is true.

Lord Malpercio2 votes

I just don't understand why they can't simply MAKE TENACITY WORK AGAINST KNOCKUPS IT'S LITERALLY THAT SIMPLE

We already have a stat for CC reduction.

Admittedly, displacements are wonky and need more of a spellshield sorta deal (IE Blitz pull), but really. Tenacity is already there. They just need to make it work.

SEKAI2 votes

The only place this opinion isn't popular in is in Riot HQ.

Masked Lunatic1 votes

What we need is an item called: Anchorage with an active which makes you immovable (for displacement purposes) for 1 second (probably similar / less hybrid defense stats to item 3190 but with the stats focused a bit more on the armour side rather than mag resist).

Probably the build path item could also root you for the same duration while the fully built item would not restrict you.

spitballing out of boredom here don't mind me.

Ifneth3 votes

Unfortunately, Anchorage would become an ‘outplay button’ against all champions who rely on knockups. As long as that cooldown were up, they’d be powerless to attack you or defend themselves against you.

Masked Lunatic1 votes

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Unfortunately, Anchorage would become an ‘outplay button’ against all champions who rely on knockups. As long as that cooldown were up, they’d be powerless to attack you or defend themselves against you.

I agree the balance should probably be to have weaker stats and long cooldown, or simply have something that shortens the duration of the knockup (like tenacity ) / gives a negative effect for a time (like stoneplate).

Automated Riven1 votes

Downvoted because unpopular opinion titles are clickbaits. Most people agree on this and there are tons of threads posted all the time.

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