What to do when my support takes cs

GoochFlap·Sep 5, 2016·2 votes·1,686 views

So last game I was playing ezreal, and if you check my match history. you'll see she had a high amount of cs, even more than our jungler. At level 1 she died to draven by getting caught by Braum and I died to deafen trying to help Morgana. she then maxed her w and started w'ing waves and taking most of them, making me fall even more behind. This is one of the only thing that tilts me that hard and I honestly would have afked if I wasn't in a call with the Jax. what should I do in this situation besides go ice borne gauntlet and jus farm for 30 minutes? I honestly have no idea how to react to this.

30 Comments

InfernoFøxSep 5, 20162 votes

First thing, never afk. That should be a given. Second, always be friendly to your support. If you are an ass, they can easily be an ass back to you (which makes no sense because youre both trying to win the game). Finally, just anticipate them taking your farm. So try your hardest to last hit with the most amount of health. Try going into a custom and trying this out with a friend. Always stay positive bud! If you fall behind early on, dont worry m8! As long as you can coordinate good teamfights and snag objectives and be quick at decision making you will be fine. And if you are behind in farm, then try to take some jg camps (if they not bot lane) for the extra gold. Attitude is key. As long as you dont rage at your support, then you can keep a level head and make clean decisions!

GoochFlapSep 5, 20161 votes

I did take the krugs whenever they were up and Gragaswasnt doin them, and I wanted to afk because I didn't feel like dealing with another trash Morgana support. I do get toxic, but it doesn't make me play worse, just makes me afk farm for 30 minutes and let my team do everything before then. honestly I'd rather have the support afk at that point because they're just being useless. we could have won that game with or without the Morgana.

GoochFlapSep 5, 20161 votes

let me correct myself. I don't get toxic until they talk shit to me and I'm making better decisions than them and overall just better than them. and after that I don't talk to them until they talk to me and I don't yell at other teammates for making mistakes.

InfernoFøxSep 5, 20161 votes

If they shit talk you, then mute them. Im trying to help you be a better player.

GoochFlapSep 5, 20161 votes

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If they shit talk you, then mute them. Im trying to help you be a better player.

it's so hard not to respond because I know they're wrong and I want them to know they're wrong but I've noticed that I get emotional when my support ints, trolls etc. and I basically just game and don't group until I have 4 items

InfernoFøxSep 5, 20161 votes

They dont need to know they are wrong. If you know youre a good player and youre just having a bad day then so what. You dont need to make a fuss over it. And grouping is always important cause it can make laning for others easier and give you a lead

GoochFlapSep 5, 20161 votes

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They dont need to know they are wrong. If you know youre a good player and youre just having a bad day then so what. You dont need to make a fuss over it. And grouping is always important cause it can make laning for others easier and give you a lead

they don't need to but I want them to. also I had two items at 25 minutes where the driven had probably 4, so I thought I was better off farming for more items while Jax split pushed and we took objectives

InfernoFøxSep 5, 20161 votes

And that is probably where your flaw is. You feel you have to say something when you dont

GoochFlapSep 5, 20161 votes

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And that is probably where your flaw is. You feel you have to say something when you dont

yes this is true. thanks for your help next time anyone talks shit I'll just mute them instead of talking shit back to them.

InfernoFøxSep 5, 20161 votes

Im here to help

InfernoFøxSep 5, 20163 votes

Try your best to not be toxic. The game is to have fun over anything. Remember that you can't win every game. But you can at least try am i right? Also youre thinking about this in the wrong way. Just be positive. Attitude is key man. Never wish people would afk. Its harder to win an 4v5 than a 5v5 with someone not doing the best. Just mute her and communicate with your team. You are in a team game. So what one person doesnt do well. Never give up. Cause you can always turn the tides of the battle ( Nami lol)

GoochFlapSep 5, 20161 votes

so is what I did the correct thing to do? what I did was farm krugs whenever gragas wasn't there and farm whatever I could. also at some point around 30 minutes or something I stopped typing because at this point in the game not wasting time is important if I want to win.

InfernoFøxSep 5, 20161 votes

Theoretically, yes. But i believe the way you went about it wasnt the best. If youre behind in GOLD then try roaming to other lanes and help them out. Any help can be used. Focus on other objectives if you cant win lane. But, if youre are worried about being behind on minions, then all you can do is farm your lane and other lanes.

OneMustFallSep 5, 20161 votes

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so is what I did the correct thing to do? what I did was farm krugs whenever gragas wasn't there and farm whatever I could. also at some point around 30 minutes or something I stopped typing because at this point in the game not wasting time is important if I want to win.

Pretty much. Occasionally you get a support who's just anti-team. Just have to deal with them and try to get laning phase over with ASAP.

OhushiiApr 5, 20181 votes

"never afk" lmfao this is why NA region is trash... this whole "omfg we are losing but you need to stay in this game" mentality is why we are so far behind every other region.

Eternal 7 Sep 5, 20161 votes

buy a item 3301 XD ,

naa but idk , as a zilean sup player myself , i dont really use my bombs to poke much unless they are running away from our wave , or in a position where i can get the double bomb stun off without it taking the cs , but, just tell them to

either roam a bit , or just not use their AOE poke skills while in lane, unless its either to commit to an all in or a gank ... and if they do use it , at least let it be in a position that doesnt take the cs from you , lane pressure is nice and all but it can be a double edged sword when done wrong

not all poke skills needs to land , some can be used to have the enemy position in an odd way or basically used to zone , without it effecting the minion

wave at all,

InfernoFøxSep 5, 20161 votes

tbh, that made no sense XD

Eternal 7 Sep 5, 20161 votes

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tbh, that made no sense XD

its called zoning , without using your skills in their minion wave , i could easily throw out zileans bombs without it even touching other minions , :|

InfernoFøxSep 5, 20161 votes

No, im saying the layout of your comment had no organization, so it was kinda hard to follow and understand what you meant.

Eternal 7 Sep 5, 20161 votes

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No, im saying the layout of your comment had no organization, so it was kinda hard to follow and understand what you meant.

XD basically tell them to roam , or just dont use any AOE poking skills inside the minion wave

GoochFlapSep 5, 20161 votes

no she was just doing this because she's bronze and we lost lane. she even got caught out a few times and I ran away so I didn't die as well, and she had the bronze mentality of "if I get caught out you do too" and yelled at me for running away and being a "pussy" she was only doing this to troll and try to lose. she wasn't actually trying to be a good support.

OneMustFallSep 5, 20161 votes

Politely ask them to stop as it's pushing the wave and you need to farm. If they continue, farm the best you can and then report for griefing after the game. The solution if you want to win games is to not go AFK or tilt though. I know Morganas in Bronze tend to do this a lot and I don't know why but if you ask them to stop, they usually do.

GoochFlapSep 5, 20161 votes

I asked her to stop the very first time she pushed it, not because she took any but because I didn't want to push so we could freeze in front of tower and have the jungler gank, but she just said "MUTED" and continued to do so, then around 15 minutes went mid/top and took their farm.

Linna ExcelSep 5, 20161 votes

Tell your team that the support is lacking teamwork and muted you for asking them to not take your CS. Try to finish out the game as best you can and report afterward.

Linna ExcelSep 5, 20161 votes

Not much TBH. Ez doesn't have the strongest of wave clearing ability outside of his ult while morgana has decent wave clear. Basically you have to ask them to stop, if they don't you need to tell your team that the support is taking your CS. After laning, try to farm up as best you safely can. Chief goal here is to try and recover without being a burden on the team (still group for team fights and objectives).

The only times a support should take CS are when the ADC can't, he got FotM, trading with an AoE ability is important right now, or in the rare cases you don't think your ADC can carry your team and you need to take over during laning (like 0-3-0 at 6 minutes or isn't getting any CS).

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 5, 20161 votes

if you expect your support to take your cs there is something u can do to limit the amount of gold lost. on materies take bandit so for every time a cs is taken u get at least 1 gold. and if you auto the enemy you get 3 gold. also taking item 1083 on 1st back will give you +1 gold for ever cs you do get. another route would be getting item 3301 which isnt awful you get +4 gold for every time a cs dies that you dont last hit plus the free hp and cdr and mana regen could help with an Ezreal early. so you take bandit, you get or if not both... cuz early game you are building damage any ways and trying to stack item 3070 so +1 gold for ever cs they kill, +4 gold so +5cs for every cs they take and when you do last hit you get +1 gold and the +3 gold every time you auto an enemy (5sec cd) i know its not ideal but its something

GoochFlapSep 5, 20161 votes

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if you expect your support to take your cs there is something u can do to limit the amount of gold lost. on materies take bandit so for every time a cs is taken u get at least 1 gold. and if you auto the enemy you get 3 gold. also taking on 1st back will give you +1 gold for ever cs you do get. another route would be getting which isnt awful you get +4 gold for every time a cs dies that you dont last hit plus the free hp and cdr and mana regen could help with an early. so you take bandit, you get or if not both... cuz early game you are building damage any ways and trying to stack so +1 gold for ever cs they kill, +4 gold so +5cs for every cs they take and when you do last hit you get +1 gold and the +3 gold every time you auto an enemy (5sec cd) i know its not ideal but its something

the second time I backed after me buying the tear I already had 110 cs so I didn't think buying a cull was worth it. also at around 20 minutes more went to go take other lanes cs

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 5, 20161 votes

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the second time I backed after me buying the tear I already had 110 cs so I didn't think buying a cull was worth it. also at around 20 minutes more went to go take other lanes cs

but you see what im getting at? the issue with morg as a support is people taking W to early ( i am a support main who mains Morgana )

i always start the lane with Q or E if vs a Blitzcrank and i take W at lvl 3 if you take W to early and use it to much on the wave you can make the ADC miss cs and push the wave prematurely. I also try not to use W in the middle of the wave but more so where they enemy is standing. but that is me.

GoochFlapSep 5, 20161 votes

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but you see what im getting at? the issue with morg as a support is people taking W to early ( i am a support main who mains )

i always start the lane with Q or E if vs a and i take W at lvl 3 if you take W to early and use it to much on the wave you can make the ADC miss cs and push the wave prematurely. I also try not to use W in the middle of the wave but more so where they enemy is standing. but that is me.

yeah I get that. morg actually took w level 1 and I don't think she used her shield on anyone at any point in the game.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoSep 5, 20161 votes