to the people still complaining about the Armour nerfs

JAGMAG·Aug 26, 2015·4 votes·523 views

as an adc main you have to build or or and im pretty much useless for 20 mins by time ive reached 20 mins you've built another item and so on and so on

as an adc i have to build before i begin to do anything resembling meaningful damage to tanks. then i need to add a to actually put a dent in you but it means i sacrifice a qss in my build

so yeah the Armour nerfs were needed but you know what? i cant tell a difference as an adc i still need pretty much the same build to hurt tanks also you guys got a bunch of cool items at the same time and the new with its insane passive

so stop complaining :p

8 Comments

LankPantsAug 26, 20154 votes

Dear ADC mains

You play a role that's specifically designed to scale well into late game. Once you get 3 items ( item 3031 item 3046 item 3035 ) you can shred anything in the game as long as you get some help from your team.

Stop complaining about tanks having a point in the game where they can tank you, it's their design and they sure as hell can't tank you out late game.

Maybe if tanks can't tank you late game when you crit them in the face for 500 damage they need to be able to take some hits mid game to be relevant

And maybe if there's an item that straight up reduces armour by 35% it needs to be a cost efficient stat because you need to factor for how inefficient it is when there's a Last Whisper involved.

Just maybe ADCs should trade some of their early and mid game strength for their extreme late game power.

And maybe you'd understand how big losing small amounts of stats on every single item available to you while new items that the majority of actual tanks can't use if your class was in a similar situation.

Ozias of ScagnarAug 26, 20152 votes

I agree that with the loss of cost efficient items we are now seriously hurting, and it's not even enjoyable, more so for people like me that are Leona/Support tank mains. We are gold starved as it is unless our ADC's do well. I will say that I like item 3143 new stat of taking 10% off these late game hyper carries that can crit for over a 1000 damage... it doesn't help us much late game still, but at least we have a chance somewhat in the mid game!

JAGMAGAug 26, 20151 votes

i play thresh support and honestly i like the way it is now item 3742 love this item on a bunch of champs also item 3024 cost less now and it gives Armour mana and cdr so yes the over all item is more expensive but a stat heavy component is now cheaper. and then theirs the new item 3083 so supports shouldn't hurt to much and tbh supports in genral are really strong right now theres so many supports that can solo adcs in the early game thresh for example is good at early level solo on the adc so i honestly dont mind supports taking a bit of a hit for someone who is supposed to be gold starved there fairly strong such as thresh leona and even blitz can 1v1 early if there that strong early i dont mind starving them for gold

JAGMAGAug 26, 20151 votes

ok that's bs i can tell you i can not shred threw tanks with those three items i can even really shred threw squishy without two bf sword items unless i get lucky crits even at full build it still takes 3 autos to kill a midlaner who can 1 shot me and tanks will still take 5+ not to kill just to get low it will take a full 7 to kill them usually tanks dominate the early and mid game so dont wine if you didn't close the game out before item 3031 item 3046 item 3035 item 3072 item 3153 if you let me get to that point you sorta deserve to lose

also adcs are incredibly weak early game and even mid unless your playing a triforce adc so yeah in the late game adcs need to have a power spike late game since they are already super weak early and mid game plus the non stop nerfs to all adcs the just finally buffed lucain

LankPantsAug 26, 20151 votes

Of course you can't shred tanks, you're bronze 5 0 LP.

You don't farm well or position properly and end up with far less gold than you should have at the 25-30 minute mark where you should finish these items. In some of your games you're only just breaking 100 CS at 40 minutes and the enemy jungler has more CS than you. How do you expect to be able to break a tank with 2k gold more than you (7k in one game)?

Of course tanks are powerful in this situation, Jungle CS is easy gold when no-one CSs well and their stats are balanced around having a lower income than you.

That's before getting into positioning.

JAGMAGAug 26, 20151 votes

ive been on tilt lately because i had three 1v2 lane games in a row plus feeders and afks i fell an entire division and a half :p look at my actual adc wins and you will see a different story for example my cait win% is still 70% even with my latest string of losses and i overall have 4 adcs with over 50% win rate topping out at 78% with sivir but i cant carry as a support when my entire team feeds or even as the adc when my support afks under tower or goes to support another lane or when my my top lane is pushed all the way into his inhib tower at 15 mins and the enemy fiora is proxing inside our base or there shen some how gets 9 kills then shows up mid and just tanks our entire team our when our mid lane feeds yas 5 kills in lane and he then one shots evertime he sees me because my support is like lol nope and flashes without even attempting cc (that's just a description of my last 5 games)

other words look at stats not rank

LankPantsAug 26, 20151 votes

Assuming your average game length isn't 20 minutes your CS numbers are still super low for an ADC player. Admittedly CSing isn't my strong suit either but I'm fairly sure over a long period of Ashe games (she's the only ADC I really play) I'd break 250 per game on average.

Also looking at your stats basically confirms what I said about poor positioning. On your main you average 5 and a half deaths a game, which is one of your better averages. Your overall average seems up around 7, which is super high. Although you seem to be dying less recently so hopefully that shows improvement.

Kats PajamasAug 26, 20151 votes

Your argument is almost entirely opinion...

You can complain about needing to buy thornmail ADC(That's-retarded), but I promise you more tanks are buying item 3035 item 3031 than ADC's buying thornmail, so maybe you should just consider, the grass is always greener.

I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying your bias will prevent anyone from actually finding a representation of how many items ADC's need to shred. Personally I think they shred the moment they get any lifesteal. So level 1 item 1055 .