I think Lux needs a nerf

JAGMAG··19 votes·2,101 views

She has a good win rate of 54.38% even against her counters she only has two match ups that are below 50% with one of those being 49.38% so only one really bad match up. She has a low skill floor and very spamable high damage aoe and cc. and her lane phase feels overly oppressive for allot of mid lane champs and at best just a farm fest. some say she should not be nerfed because one of her abilities does not do damage but that has never been a legit reason to not nerf a champ in the past.

I think she needs a numbers change to either her mana cost/regen, or her cooldowns, or her damage either threw base or scaling, or the strength/length of her cc, or a combination of these

EDIT: allot of people apparently have no idea how lux is built or what here numbers are like lux stats the most winning build has item 3165 and then straight damage no more mana regen or or cool down reduction so those who are saying that's a huge weakness she builds no more mana or cdr then the average mage even less then some

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Uiraya16 votes

Her mana is already a huge weakness, her cooldowns force her to get 40% cdr every game, her damage is already below average for a burst mage, her cc is laughable.

She has range and safety, sure, but one step to the left and she does nothing for 10 seconds. And if you're close enough to get hit by a guaranteed binding you've already killed her, as her health and endurance are bottom 5. Also if you're that close you're a frontliner, and you have tenacity, right?

Her E's are very hard to dodge, but she'll run out of mana before you run out of hp. Then you regen faster than she will because you're an ad assassin with cutlass and she might have just got chalice if she's lucky.

Skill floor? Aha, no. If you can't aim, you might as well afk. She's not exactly complex (very few champs are) but your performance is tied not only to your own ability to aim but your opponents' ability to dodge. You can easily play 200 games of Lux and do great and then have one jackass who dodges everything and you do nothing. You wish DOZENS of champs had the counterplay that Lux has. If you fuck up against Lux, that's you fucking up. Get better and go back to complaining about champs you can't do shit about without ganks because they just jump on you and you die regardless.

JAGMAG2 votes

they used to be but i encourage you to look at her builds now days one mana item in either unholy grail or morel's and then just straight damage that's the average lux build lux stats

literally she walks to lane spams spell backs gets chalice or idol and then never has mana issues again i used to just wait for lux to burn threw her mana and then jump on her but she just does not burn threw it since the preseason like she used to.

yes she does have a super low skill floor ive played her before shes easy plus skill the travel time on her skill shots is pretty decent and they have cc the only easily dodge able one is her ult but if you do get hit by it from off screen you can kiss at least half your health good bye.

also please stfu you are overly toxic with this its you fucking up get good shit lux stats look at that shit literally only galio and velkoz have over a 50% win rate against lux so much counter play that only two fucking champs actually win against her more then they lose yeah that's fucking great counter play also all these stats are from plat+ this is not some fucking bronze stats this is "high elo" shes fucking up peoples shit in high elo and putting up these numbers in high elo so please stfu if you can not actually provide anything productive to this discussion because a tl;dr: of your post reads as get good scrub so please fuck off

Br4ndon1 votes

I feel like youre trying to be ironic.

Troiann6 votes

Any champion that can regularly implement mejais in their core build needs to be looked over.

Notice how there are only two champions that buy mejais, one is Janna, who, while annoying, isn't broken.

Then you have lux who should be gutted.

SaltyKracka6 votes

I think you'll find Rito disagrees with you about Janna.

And has done so often.

JAGMAG2 votes

well jana is a different kind of broken she dose not do damage but she is one of if not the biggest cock blocker in the game she is probably ok atm but use to it was to much and now lux is borderline broken i think her low play rate is what saves her from getting gutted

Troiann3 votes

Last I saw she had a pretty decent pickrate. But I can say this with certainty, I'd rather play against rengar than lux. Half the boards are mage mains and they'll probably band together to hate me but Lux is ridiculously antifun. Same with most mages, playing dodgeball the entire game. But lux is the worst offender atm.

WalkingInACircle3 votes

You don't like playing dodgeball? I think its a lot better than typing speed tests.

JAGMAG1 votes

honestly thou rengar has a pretty high skill floor compared to lux try him :p its harder then it looks

TheStevenWu2 votes

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well jana is a different kind of broken she dose not do damage but she is one of if not the biggest cock blocker in the game she is probably ok atm but use to it was to much and now lux is borderline broken i think her low play rate is what saves her from getting gutted

If you looked closely at win rates, you'll see the the champions with lower play rates have higher win rates. Why? Because the people who play these champions are the ones who are good at them. Players tend to have higher when rates when they play champions they are good at. If anything, the low play rate is a sign that the champion should be buffed, not nerfed.

In this case: Champions have high win rate because only players proficient at the champions plays them. Champions have low play rate most likely because champion is under-powered compared to more meta champions.

RoyaiChaos1 votes

Not necessarily under-powered, sometimes just more difficult or less fun.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

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Not necessarily under-powered, sometimes just more difficult or less fun.

You admit your main Lux.

ProfDrDeath2 votes

Except that Lux has a high playrate, too?

Second-highest mid playrate (Only Zed has more) and fourth-highest mid winrate (behind Morg, Zil, Vel'Koz).

TheStevenWu2 votes

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Except that Lux has a high playrate, too?

Second-highest mid playrate (Only Zed has more) and fourth-highest mid winrate (behind Morg, Zil, Vel'Koz).

She's popular in Bronze, Silver, and Gold. She is most popular in bronze (#1 mid). This makes sense since she's cheaper (and older) and is really easy to snowball with in lower elo. She's also a safe pick and therefore is "easier" to play. She offers utility and is therefore useful even if you don't win lane.

She sees top 15 play in Plat (#2 mid) and falls down the popularity tree in diamond+ (#7 mid diamond, not even top 15 for master+). In higher skill play, champion power is much more important. Why does this happen? Because when it comes to champion power, Lux is obviously overwhelmed by other mid options.

Note: There is no such thing as OP or UP in lower tier ranks Games are determined more by the intelligence level/computer issues of a player more so than individual skill. Champion power only comes into play in higher elo.

Lux has one combo - Bind, Singularity, Laser. This combo is usually useless against tanks unless she's fed. The combo is used to kill squishy carries, who are out of her bind range (or at least should be). If she misses bind (easy to dodge or block), it's becomes difficult to hit the remaining two spells. If she misses laser, she lose most of her damage. She can only combo every 30 seconds; she can only burst once in a teamfight as singularity does subpar damage during teamfight stages.

And for those who call singularity an undodgeable harass spell in lane, you're just bad. singularity have a relatively low range. Since lux is one of the easiest to kill champion in the game, those who play her usually sends it out at max range. With it's insanely slow travel speed, any opponent can merely walk back when the see it come out to dodge the champion. Maybe in bronzie elo, this is hard - but even when i was in gold I found it hard to consistently harass with singularity (which by the way is very mana intensive).

So why do people think Lux is OP? Because they don't know how to stand behind minions and dodge bindings.

Uiraya1 votes

What if I told you

that Lux -needs- Mejai's

Troiann1 votes

What if I told you a champion with her kind of CC and pick potential should not have the massive range and safety to be able to build mejais, as well as an undodgeable waveclear spell that doubles as harass.

Uiraya2 votes

Who did she catch? Was it a carry? Because they shouldn't be within that kind of range, and if they are she's in their range and has died. Frontline Lux gets dove and deleted instantly; backline Lux where she should be is locking down tanks for softening unless the enemy fucks up.

Also waveclear? On E? Go play some Lux games. At level 5 with just three autos you can clear ranged minions! Waveclear!

Troiann1 votes

Her waveclear isn't as good as other champions, but it's still pretty damn good. If you're getting sieged and throw out an E the entire wave is around half dead. And if it could insta clear waves and be an undodgeable harass spell it'd be broken (almost already is).

ADCs shouldn't be in range of her bindings? So, basically never be in range to auto attack anyone then? Never try and siege a tower? Just sit two screens away from her doing absolutely nothing?

Lux's Q is basically a death sentence if she has her ult up, or unless she fed or got her ass camped. Not to mention backline lux makes her tanks tanky as fuck with a 6 second 400 damage shield, 800 if they know how to catch the baton on their way back.

If you only want to list the weaknesses of a champion, you can make any of them sound weak. "release xin zhao wasn't OP, his E wasn't very long range, just stay out of range and you'll stay alive" is no reason to not nerf xin zhao.

Aezanthya4 votes

lemme guess you're one of those guys that think it's a good idea to fight in the jungle against lux/anivia/morgana or do baron while the ennemy team has lux/anivia/morgana alive ?

JAGMAG4 votes

let me take a guess you dont know what the fuck you are talking about?

i main adc i just get annoyed at not being able to fucking auto a tower because i have to walk threw a lux barrage and then when shes finally low she just ults and backs and if you dive her now two of your team are rooted under tower.

man you fuckers are annoying just because someone thinks a champ might be unbalanced he must be someone who knows nothing about the game

Handin Out Naps4 votes

Complaining about mages on boards? Is that even allowed? ._.

JAGMAG3 votes

apparently not XD i dont like the bruisers either and that's ok but you dare talk about a mage? downvote

A Wild AP Sona4 votes

anyone that complains about lux needs to uninstall this game

if you buy banshees/run cleanse/buy hourglass/buy qss/buy merc treads/build tank/buy mikaels she is literally worthless and her threat level drops to 0

in high elo adc rush qss for their 3rd/4th item then they are invincible to you the rest of the game only baddies die to lux and she has infinite levels of counterplay

lux has been plenty nerfed with every item she needs receiving stat nerfs and being 300-500g most expensive

3-4 kill lux now = as funded as a 0 kill lux 10 months ago

think lux is op? try a front page elo game where

a. support has mikaels b. your vs a vayne c. the vayne has qss/banshees/ran cleanse (or all 3) d. they get baron buff because your behind and you cant even wave clear anymore so you become even more worthless e. they have tank initiate with auto target engage on you that has banshees f. you have no tank initiate front line so there is no one to peel for you/stay in front while you shield them

enjoy doing literally nothing as lux even the minions are too strong for you to kill

now tell me how "op" lux is as a vayne is ulting at you with 500+ move speed and banshees/qss/cleanse and tumbles your q and flash condemns you into a wall and 3 shots you then you get to respawn in time for them to storm your nexus with baron buff and you cant even clear the minions because league is league of mr anti mage right now?

how about the vi/nocturne that keep ulting you with banshees?

any questions?

Troiann3 votes

What the hell does cleanse and mikaels do for you? You get hit by a random snare, now you get to dodge that one, meanwhile lux is throwing out a massive shield for her tanks and has the ability to disengage through her low cooldown, spammable E. Chasing is extremely dangerous because then she'll just snag you with another snare and ult you for almost your entire health if you're a squishy.

Not to mention her near 55% winrate. Her laning is one of the safest in the game, her E is damn near undodgeable unless she's braindead and misses it, which then opens up the ability to cast her Q with a guaranteed hit unless you flash. Her lowest winrate is 47%....against Vel koz, who is picked almost exclusively by people who play him.

How to deal with vayne? How about not spamming everything at once so she can QSS it all at once? How the hell is a vayne going to flash onto you and stun you without your team reacting unless you're way out of reach? Where the hell is your flash and CC? Don't tell me QSS has no cooldown, she can QSS your snare maybe but then she can't cleanse the E right afterwards as you flash out.

League of Legends is anti mage? How the fuck is this thread anti mage? Yes, AP itemization took a hit with dramatic price increase, but this thread is about lux, and lux only. And her winrate and playrate reflect it, 12.4% pickrate with a 54% winrate. If Yasuo had these kinds of stats, and he never has, not even with warlords bloodlust being broken, this entire board would explode with a hundred threads about how broken he is. Yasuo is the posterboard for anti mage, right? He's sitting at a 45% winrate average, barely 10% pickrate, and his playerbase averages 105 games on yasuo. Lux? 70 games. The stats all show that she is broken.

You wanted a question? What's your response to these statistics? You know, while you offer a hypothetical scenario about how the "magriarchy is collapsing!", I've offered stats from a pretty reliable site that all support the fact that Lux is currently too strong. So what do you have to say to that?

"Anyone that complains about Lux being too strong needs to uninstall".

No, people who offer no proof to support their argument, who don't understand rationality, and then proceed to insult others shouldn't be allowed to speak about anything. Ignorance may be bliss to you, but it sure as hell isn't to me.

"A front page elo game" ROFL. How about we take it a step higher and go back to season 5 worlds, where it was Lulu and Orianna mid every fucking game? Gut lulu and orianna guys, the best players are spamming these champs must be broken geegee!

blfUvZ8Ybu2 votes

Absolutely.

Danyul Targaryen1 votes

i do too but nothing to severe. Honestly she needs a mini rework. Her e needs to be dodgeable but then youd have to increase its damage

JAGMAG3 votes

honestly i would be happy with just stopping her from spell spamming that stuff is worse then exarth spam i dont mind her damage and cc but when you pair that will how spamable it is and how long her range is its just to much and is very frustrating to play against

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

i doubt her damage is why shes good. its probably her cooldowns and her kit works well together.

JAGMAG1 votes

they do work well together but her damage is a bit overturned for a kit that works so well together

1000angrybees1 votes

Honestly, if you want a nerf, just revert the Q buff. Otherwise she's not really even a problem.

Vekkna1 votes

I've played quite a bit of Lux. I play Kat against her, so Lux is one of the only truly easy matchups in lane.

Overall, I think Lux needs a love tap to the self-shield on W. Her kit really is fine except for how difficult she can be to kill given her damage, range, and cc. Overall it's too much safety, and I say that as a Lux player who's bad at positioning and dies a lot.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

Lux mains gave negative vote.Lol.You have free elo champion and you don't want the end of it.

blfUvZ8Ybu1 votes

You don't say empty.Lux op.Absolutely Lux needs nerfs.Lux mains;please you don't write this page.Your opinion very unneeded.

Xenomancers1 votes

holy crap Lux OP? Don't think so. Zed is OP - hes just hard to play. Lux is a perfectly balanced mage who is easy to play if you can manage CD's and aim - plus with frost queen she can basically ensure a full combo on any champion that's caught out. To be honest though - she is much weaker than Xerath, Malzahar, Brand, and Oriana. She is just much easier and more reliable in a pinch because her E makes landing your full combo a breeze. Most the time I full combo someone will lux my ult is going off before my e and q land - shes just easy - does't make her OP. I can do the same thing with xerath and do much more damage in the process - with brand I can do the same thing and also deal huge amounts of ult damage to the whole enemy team even if they aren't lined up perfect. I think you have a problem with mages in general if you have a problem with lux. Want to beat lux? Easy. Rush her when her snare is down - shes as good as dead.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

Yeah, she's probably a bit strong atm.

I have NO IDEA why you are getting downvoted to oblivion. This seems obvious to me. Lux fanboyz op?

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