Why hasnt Fiddlesticks Support been nerfed yet?

Drakath2002·Jul 14, 2018·24 votes·10,218 views

i mean like... is there something im not seeing here? im pretty sure a silence and fear in the bot lane aiding an ADC while the Silence bounces between targets too is just ridiculous, im not saying gut him, keep him viable in Mid maybe even make him great again in Jungle but like....... riot please...... nerf his supporting potential....... this is stupid, dare i say just as bad as S7 Ardent Supports in _MY OPINION _ and EXPERIENCE

also what do you all think would be the right nerfs to reach this goal?

38 Comments

saltranJul 14, 201813 votes

Fiddle E poke in lane is the most braindead poke I remember since the MF with Thunderlords and E max.

Edit: And even as a MF player I'm glad that is gone, playing around her Q is healthier and aswell more fun to play.

ThilmerJul 15, 20187 votes

Are we really to nerf a champion that has been out of meta since forever?

To give you an idea of the problem, he is supposed to be a jungler...

Robert SmithJul 15, 20186 votes

Nautilus yeah say goodbye to jungle fidd i guess

NarraYoretraJul 15, 20181 votes

Nerfing the crap out of his drain and passive was the nail in the jungler's (and even mid's) coffin. There's too much risk of getting busted when you go to get up in people's face, so you just bounce crows off minion waves, fear anytime an opponent initiates a fight, and wait to R to steal ( I mean, secure) the kill from your carry.

AtmosphereJul 14, 20186 votes

In my experience playing as Fiddle support, increasing his E early mana costs is basically the only change he needs. He would need to manage his mana bar better rather than spam E to poke.

koshkyraJul 14, 20185 votes

He needs a rework, like, that champion is never going to be fair to play against.

In jungle he has retardedly op clear and his ganks are basically unsurvivable once he gets his ult.

In mid he just spams E on the minion wave, endlessly poking you with 0 counterplay until you need to leave the lane or he can all-in you. Oh and if you trade with him hes just gonna be full hp in 2 seconds because he W'd a minion.

In support he does the same thing as mid except he has an adc so you die even easier once he point and click cc's you for five minutes.

saltranJul 15, 20181 votes

agree, he's too outdated

Hexs FortuneJul 14, 20185 votes

I've been banning fiddle every time I go bot. His poke is nearly unavoidable. After the adc regen nerfs it can't be endured without a heal support.

BhagswagJul 15, 20185 votes

They're too busy Nerfing Shen's 48% winrate.

Killer of Night9Jul 15, 20182 votes

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They're too busy Nerfing Shen's 48% winrate.

Don't forget Sejuani

Hay5eedJul 15, 20185 votes

Fiddle needs a rework TBH

His appearance is old af as is his kit.

I have three major problems about his kit.

1.) His E bounces up to 6 times with targets chosen LITERALLY at random. Everytime a Fiddlesticks presses "e" it's a dice roll, even in the support role.

You press "e" on a minion. The crow COULD bounce off of each minion into the enemy and silencing them for a couple of seconds. Or it could bounce off of the same two targets and kill them, taking farm from your adc/laner. It doesn't matter how good or bad you are, the results are entirely randomized, which hurts skill expression.

2.) His major combo is Q, W. But Q makes the target flee, which means that, even cc'd, the target is already running from you. When the cc ends he will already be at around max range and cut your W off. His kit works AGAINST itself sometimes. On top of this if you are trying to top off on your health on a minion and someone comes up and shreds the minion you get screwed out of your health.

3.) Fiddlesticks cannot cancel his ult while channeling.

There was a REALLY cool rework for fiddlesticks ages ago that even had a new model for him. It made him into a melee champ with his crow on a skill shot and his passive, when on CD, planted crows on wards that he placed. The crows would extend the wards sight-range and would fly off when enemies came too close, fearing them for a half second or something. It was really cool and unique for the time

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AmetDeCryptJul 14, 20184 votes

e lane pressure should probably be looked at, he just spams it into waves and you can't get near without eating 100-300 damage every 10 seconds. good luck farming with that monster. even worse if you're melee, you can't do shit against him ever.

Succubús GFJul 14, 20184 votes

Because fid mains will FLOOD the boards with "OMG HOW COULD U"

ZackTheWaffleManJul 14, 20188 votes

I doubt that there are enough to cause a flood. Maybe a slight overflow.

Succubús GFJul 15, 20182 votes

I got so many downvotes when i was literally joking skskksk.

FNC JinxJul 15, 20184 votes

Same reason this bastard is allowed to exist in his current form DrMundo DrMundo DrMundo

Chembaron YamadaJul 15, 20181 votes

Dr. Mundo got a nerf already and is getting another one soon. Fiddlesticks on the other hand is untouched for ages.

ElohavenJul 15, 20184 votes

If you nerf Fiddle, you have to nerf Brand

MrFawknSunshineJul 14, 20183 votes

the major issue with fiddle support is the point n click fear for 2.25 seconds

this is the only real adjustment needed. he isnt a good mid laner and real iffy at jungling , support is the only viable role he has

hhaavviikkJul 15, 20181 votes

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the major issue with fiddle support is the point n click fear for 2.25 seconds

this is the only real adjustment needed. he isnt a good mid laner and real iffy at jungling , support is the only viable role he has

funny thing is riot knows this, support fiddle became popular in the past due to his instant fear, riot's solution? reduce it's range by 50-75 w/e it was, however some time ago they undid that nerf and lo and behold, support fiddle is back again

IRFodderJul 16, 20181 votes

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funny thing is riot knows this, support fiddle became popular in the past due to his instant fear, riot's solution? reduce it's range by 50-75 w/e it was, however some time ago they undid that nerf and lo and behold, support fiddle is back again

I see, damn, always thought he was actually hard to deal with at the best of times, that crow does some heafty damage, coupled with the silence and the difficulty of actually engaging on him , taking cleanse when playing Leona was my go-to. Glad to hear he is on the list. He's pretty old now, will be interesting to see what they Doo with him.

0 HogapuJul 14, 20183 votes

Make theses changes to his E :

-not hitting out of vision targets just like Sivir's W -hitting the nearest target EXCEPT if this one already has been hit

his poke would feel much fair, and at least fiddle can actually choose what he hits.

Gregorovic08Jul 15, 20181 votes

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Make theses changes to his E :

-not hitting out of vision targets just like Sivir's W -hitting the nearest target EXCEPT if this one already has been hit

his poke would feel much fair, and at least fiddle can actually choose what he hits.

I think his e prioritizes people who HAVE NOT been hit, unless they are being drained with w at which point it focuses on bouncing to that person.

0 HogapuJul 15, 20182 votes

Indeed it prioritizes people who haven't been hit, however it follows no rule whatsoever when no one has been hit already (and excluding the W scenario).

Rıots Bad ClientJul 15, 20183 votes

He doesn't really need a "Nerf"

I would like to see a Shift in power.

For example, Reduce the mana cost on his W and add some to his E.

Reduce the E Base damage in favor for some better scaling.

Because I think he does to much damage for not enough items, but when he has enough items, he still feels like his base damages Is the only thing that matters.

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Another thing we can do is change how fear works.

So max rank fear is 2.25 long.

We can change it to 3.00long(max level)

However, the fear only lasts that long as fiddle sticks in the radius. So if fiddlesticks/Nocturn leaves the radius they might only get a 0.5 fear.

RomenjiJul 15, 20182 votes

Or you can just... get life steal and separate when he throws an E just like brand ult.. and keep your bushes and tribushes warded? lmao? fiddle aint hard to deal with and he gets destroyed by most full tank sups.

UpDownLeftRightABJul 15, 20182 votes

I don't think he is played enough in China to warrant a change. Why would Riot listen to less than 10% of the playerbase about a change? Just use him if you hate him. You can see from even my match history he is easy to use and spam.

Daddy AntsJul 15, 20182 votes

I'm perm banning Fiddle when I'm bot lane.

Zyra Velkoz have counter play. Dodge their skillshots.

Fiddle's entire kit is point and click.

There is no counter play to Fiddle's point and click kit.

Sire HippingtonJul 15, 20182 votes

I think a good start would be nerfing the dark wind base damage and buffing the ratio slightly, and it should be changed to only jump to visible targets, it's so annoying that it hits you within the brush and gives away your position.

KrullyJul 14, 20181 votes

hes in line to be reworked so he wont be touched

Chembaron YamadaJul 15, 20181 votes

So is Dr. Mundo and he still got balance changes. If anything, then his rework status would warrant that Fiddle gets nerfed out of viability until he gets his rework...

BumperlaneJul 15, 20181 votes

Nerf the bounce distance on his stupid poke. Or nerf the damage because it's too brain dead easy. His ULT damage late game is stupid against squishies. If he ever gets on your squishies over the wall from the raptor camps, it's GG. Shouldn't be THAT easy.

Caretaker JackJul 15, 20181 votes

maybe were facing a remake.. "oh hohohoho yes~" --> Fiddlesticks

MetallikaiserJul 15, 20181 votes

He is annoying, but certainly not broken enough to warrent nerfs, this is just a meta that is pretty good for him. Its also pretty hard to nerf him just for support.

pls dont eat dogJul 15, 20181 votes

riot brags about how good heimer and fiddle are together bot. its on the home page when you log into the client.

YumaS2AstralJul 15, 20181 votes

They need to give him the damage to minions back. This was an completely unecessary nerf that killed mid Fiddlesticks. Meanwhile, it made support Fiddle broken, as he no longer has to worry about stealing his ADC's farm.

Hemulen MagiJul 15, 20181 votes

I played a lot of Fiddlesticks support last season and the start of this season. I was constantly called a troll for picking him, but now he's apparently considered broken (even though he's only par with Soraka and weaker than Nami based on winrate/popularity). I do think he can be very non-interactive because he has some of the safest poking in laning, but has anyone bothered to ask themselves why people feel the need to play less and less interactively? Could it be that it feels like almost anyone can snowball ridiculously in laning and the risk of being burst while trying to interact is too high, so non-interaction is at a premium in the current game state?

I also took Fiddlesticks specifically as a counter to skirmishers and assassins because of his Q, and look who are currently getting played: MasterYi Yasuo Tryndamere Pyke Zed Kayn It is pretty amusing to watch a Master Yi during his ult run away from a teamfight at 600 movement speed because of a Fiddlesticks Q. Also he can drain Kayn during Kayn's untargetability in his ult, which is also funny. It honestly feels nice to counter these generally low counterplay champions.

Noor SakataJul 16, 20181 votes

I remember back then few months ago when his lane poke got nerfed everyone complained lol, now what's wrong , his poke back then was worse , he could easily wave clear with it