Champions that need Buffs Right now (Spoiler alert its not Lux or Zed Rito -_-)

Drakath2002·Apr 6, 2018·6 votes·1,063 views

i honestly cant get why on god's green earth would you over buff lux and zed when the following champions need them more

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Dead flag bluesApr 6, 20186 votes

Notice something ? Most of them are AP.

DraehlApr 6, 20181 votes

Yup. I feel like there is an itemization hole for the AP offtank/sustained damage type champions. Full tanks building tanky works, and burst AP mages/divers have their itemization, but there just doesn't seem to be room in the meta for the AP offtank types that need to be able to take a few hits without innately being a tanky champion. One decent item could open the playstyle back up.

Slythrin UmbreonApr 6, 20181 votes

And Kindred's just awkwards

AhristocatsApr 6, 20186 votes

Yorick Nautilus Talon

GhaelWindsApr 6, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n8xcAmFO,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-06T14:17:58.542+0000)

Just to jump onto some Yorick stuff because I've recently taken a very large liking into him. How would you feel about removing his ghouls/maiden's decayed damage if they are too far from him?

AhristocatsApr 6, 20181 votes

the problem with yorick is that he can't summon minions outside of laning phase unless he splitpushes

Lord of MathApr 6, 20181 votes

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Just to jump onto some Yorick stuff because I've recently taken a very large liking into him. How would you feel about removing his ghouls/maiden's decayed damage if they are too far from him?

Oh I did not realize that the maiden dealt less damage if he were not nearby, but the ghouls decayed damage was actually a buff to him a while back.

GhaelWindsApr 6, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord of Math,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n8xcAmFO,comment-id=000100000001,timestamp=2018-04-06T17:23:17.099+0000)

Oh I did not realize that the maiden dealt less damage if he were not nearby, but the ghouls decayed damage was actually a buff to him a while back.

How was it a buff? I believe the only part of it that was nice was the ghouls reduced speed to match the lane minions.

Lord of MathApr 6, 20181 votes

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How was it a buff? I believe the only part of it that was nice was the ghouls reduced speed to match the lane minions.

Because before they just died instead.

GhaelWindsApr 6, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord of Math,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n8xcAmFO,comment-id=00010000000100000000,timestamp=2018-04-06T19:13:23.887+0000)

Because before they just died instead.

Ohhh yea fair enough. I forgot about that.

VoraciousXApr 6, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Je suis Rubick,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n8xcAmFO,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-04-06T14:17:58.542+0000)

Personally feel like Yorick is good, but I play him with dark harvest for the high damage so I can just Q smack people into the ground. Don't think I've ever lost when I picked him, though I don't pick him often because he's just my go-to if I'm having a rough time in top lane games. I also get ingenious hunter for more zzrots/banners, dunno if you get that or not. Maybe he's terrible in dia 2 though, I dunno. I don't play ranked. It's like 10x worse attitudes than normals and I can't deal with that lol. Plus I like my off metas.

As for Malzahar, he needs another rework or they need to make cleanse work against suppressions before any buffs. It doesn't feel good to die while someone's ulting you when they're BEHIND in gold/kills while also almost dying(or even possibly dying) even if you use a QSS as a mid laner(STILL WHILE THEY'RE BEHIND). Honestly if they'd just do something about his ult he'd be fine. Heck, make it a laser that goes in a straight line and if it hits someone he gets the suppression. Honestly suppression is one of the most BS CCs in the game because usually you die before they end. It's like a stun, but lasts longer and does damage over time in the same instant.

brôncoApr 6, 20185 votes

can't tell if troll after listing taliyah and malzahar :thinking:

Drakath2002Apr 6, 20181 votes

I rarely see Taliyah (I legit play against more Nautilus, Trundel, yorick and Nidalee than I do against Taliyah) I'm assuming not many play her cause she is underperforming, correct me if I'm wrong

And I'll admit at least 15% of my reason for Malzahar being here is bias but you have to admit that you've basically gutted a champion for no damn reason when you nerf him from S tier to low C tier at best, I'm ok with ult nerfs but Riot for the love of the void please revert the unnecessary Q Nerf

32150Apr 6, 20181 votes

taliyah is often picked in pro play right now...

Alevity XiakuApr 6, 20183 votes

Lux doesn't need a buff but she's the worst midlaner in the meta right now?

Who Fed RuApr 6, 20181 votes

But not an huge overbuff where you can already see how it will end like with Volibear

Alevity XiakuApr 6, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=n8xcAmFO,comment-id=00080000,timestamp=2018-04-06T21:41:30.303+0000)

But not an huge overbuff where you can already see how it will end like with

The change this patch isn't even an overbuff. It's a buff to Luxes who do their job and deserve to snowball like the rest of the carries. It only effects Luxes who successfully kill someone.

Who Fed RuApr 6, 20181 votes

Not the ult buff, the shield buff is just ridiculous if it comes through like this.

Alevity XiakuApr 6, 20181 votes

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Not the ult buff, the shield buff is just ridiculous if it comes through like this.

Maybe, maybe not. I think that buff is more geared towards Lux having more utility as a support. Remember, Lux puts herself in danger when she goes to proc her passive. Her performance as a support is also bad.

Alex h8721Apr 6, 20182 votes

Malzahar is unbuffable b/c he warps the meta w/ his damn R. (wasnt as bad before he got the free spellshield passive)

Ivern may need a little lovetap, but he's not THAT bad off, its just the "teamfight at 20 min around baron" meta doesn't favor him,

Taliyah is absolutely fine as a strong earlygame roaming midlaner that falls off later.

Mordekaiser Like malz pretty much will warp the meta when he's strong because of how powerful his R is, needs a rework more than buffs.

Kennen Could probably use a bump to his ap ratios, ever since they nerfed them (when the pros were building AD kennen as a splitpusher top) he's been in a very confused spot where the way he was arguably meant to build (ap) is very suboptimal, a buff on his ap ratios would help that a bit.

Kindred seems fine, people who are good w/ her do okay.

Lissandra high skillcap champ, mains can kick ass w/ her.

Amumu another meta warping jg w/ his hugely impactful ult, especially if you buff him in this "early teamfights around baron" meta he will become OP really really fast.

Drakath2002Apr 7, 20181 votes

I'm aware of the power Malzahar has in his ult so when buffing him just ignore the ult, buff some other part, beefier voidlings or revert Q nerfs maybe? As for ammumu give him the Malphite/Gragas treatment, buff AP ratios instead of tank stats for those who go squishy AP ammumu

DraehlApr 6, 20181 votes

I'm probably in the minority here, but Bard needs damage nerfs with HP/Armor/MR buffs. Early game he deals rather silly amounts of damage- more than most pure AP supports, but in this high damage meta he needs more durability (especially in the mid-game) to wade into fights a little more with his very positioning/angle reliant Q stun.

saltranApr 6, 20181 votes

Malzahar Agree but if he's meta again everyone here will cry for nerfs. Ivern Agree. Taliyah Wtf no, she's just hard to use but doesn't need buffs. Mordekaiser He needs a VGU, not buffs. Kennen Agree, but also the Boards will cry if a ranged toplaner is buffed. Kindred Agree Lissandra Also Agree Amumu Agree, poor Amumu needs some love

And I agree with @ Je suis Rubick :other ones like Nautilus Talon Yorick and I'll add Hecarim Renekton and going into bias mode I would love to bring back Ashe aa reset with Q.

Drakath2002Apr 6, 20181 votes

malzahar just needs either beefier voidlings or revert Q nerfs (preferably the latter), keep the ult nerfs from last time we are ok with that

and kennen is the shittiest ranged toplaner right now, Hard CC isnt enough to make him even close to Vayne Quinn Jayce Gnar Swain Teemo

VelasanApr 6, 20181 votes

I don't think tanks need a buff right now, but I do want to mention how difficult is to actually tank anything at the moment.

Tanks are good because they have damage and some durability.. but I'd be ok with them taking away some of the damage for just the things they do normally which is having engage and crowd control.

Instead being tanky is artificially gated by timers like the 10 min mark on Conditioning and the slow build up of Overgrowth. Everyone has their anti tank items at almost the same time as you just get tanky in the first place giving you a very small window to use those defenses. They keep lowering health across the board, but giving everyone true damage and hp % damage. They also have two dedicated tank killer runes in Cut Down and Conqueror.

Like when in this game am I actually supposed to be able to tank anything vs just building a bunch of damage on my tank champion? The only reliably tanky champions right now have giant built in modifiers like Sejuani or can stack health and they've already started nerfing both of those things with Sej nerfs and Cinderhulk nerfs.

They are super reluctant to remove damage, but scared to let a tank actually tank things instead of trying to kill them.

Probs feedingApr 6, 20181 votes

Taliyah and Lissandra need so much help lol

32150Apr 6, 20182 votes

taliyah needs so much help right now, totally true. seeing her picked in pro play frequently obviously means the champion sucks ass...

Colton147Apr 6, 20181 votes

Ziggs Zilean Gangplank Galio Janna

bottlerockettApr 6, 20181 votes

Kindred is fine, Ivern is fine, Liss, Morde, and Mummy need some love. Disagree with everything else. Quinn needs buffs badly.

MezoApr 6, 20181 votes

Bard Fiddlesticks Heimerdinger Nautilus Sona MonkeyKing Ziggs Zyra Kalista And ofc lissandra & morde and kennen from ur list.

Death by GlamourApr 6, 20181 votes

Morde like zyra amd syndra need bugfixes rathrr than buffs

DuskDaUmbreonApr 6, 20181 votes

Malz and Morde need a VGU before they get buffed - excepting compensation buffs, that is.

Ivern...yeah, he needs a bit of love.

Kennen has a reason he's not good right now. That reason is that we'd all like for him to stay that way.

Taliyah has plenty of pick in higher tier. She's perfectly fine - just not easy to use in low tier.

Kindred are fine right now. A tad bit too squishy (would +20 HP and +2 armor/mr hurt?) in my opinion, but otherwise fine.

Lissandra is like Kennen, but to a lesser magnitude. Instead of being problematic, she's just annoying.

Amumu is just fine.

HyquiemApr 6, 20181 votes

Malzahar this dude had his entire meta of one click one kill, Ivern this dude is perfectly fine. Mordekaiser preee r and free meta. Taliyah no one masterd her she’s pretty op. Kennen this champ is so broken but at the same time balanced. Kindred do you know the insta crit jungle power? Lissandra why in the world would you bring her up she’s the same thing if you master her she’s op. Amumu DO I REALLY NEED TO TELL YOU THE TANK CC JUNGLER META.