Every Support scales purely off AP from the top of my head, why cant we have AD scalings? It would be interesting to have a support that does more DPS with autos while still being effective NOT TO MENTION bringing potentially more item diversity.
I could say the same for ADC that benefits of AP, but thats already possible.
Maximum Morde5 votesThere really isn't the itemization to support them. If there was it would be abused by other roles and get nerfed. Probably because of Ezreal.
Oelyk3 votesGod dammit Ezreal. Stop screwing items over for the rest of us!
chipndip13 votesSupports rarely build ANY scalings.
No support items with AD to make this a decent idea.
Galiö1 votes
Supports rarely build ANY scalings.
No support items with AD to make this a decent idea.
And if they make a support item with AD it'll prob be abused by the adc and bruisers.
Oelyk1 votesProbably GP. Especially if it's a gold gain item though Relic shield is good enough.
I gotta say though, We have supports that are basically just mages, why not supports that build like bruisers?
50000000000000001 votesBruisers are meant to both do and take damage, but support budget makes that difficult. Some melee supports with high durability will do that, though. Sion or Tahm Kench, for example.
Oelyk1 votesI could also argue something like Riven's shield can make her a bruiser while also being an integrated part of her kit.
Right now I can think of a few champions that can do support with AD, but are not nearly as effective as the mage supports.
I just realized, 
support was a thing, He's all ad but just made it hard for the laner with alot of stat stealing and a massive slow.
50000000000000001 votesSion and Poppy are a pretty legitimate AD supports, although they mostly build full tank. Jarvan IV is also decent, as is Pantheon. I don't think Shen is an AD champion, though.
Trundle support is a thing I guess, although Trundle supports don't really build AD though, iirc.
Oelyk1 votesThats also true, I just thought of Shen because his damage is all in his autos.
50000000000000001 votesI think his damage is about 50/50, at least for Sunfire/Titanic build.
chipndip11 votesBecause fighter (diver/juggernaut) play patterns aren't good for a highly reactive role, which doesn't have to be what support is, but that's what the community agrees it needs to be to be "healthy".
Oelyk1 votes
chipndip11 votesThe community doesn't consider any of those champions as actual supports.
Lux is shit in the support role and I don't see why people are so comfortable picking that shit idea.
If people used their heads for a sec, on Brand/Zyra, they'd STILL build Redemption/Locket, honestly.
ChaddyFantome1 votes
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Ralanr1 votesAD is more of a snowball stat and they've been lowering AP from support items for a while anyway.
Oelyk1 votesGood point, however I still am curious if this is a possibility.
Ralanr2 votesTechnically it is if you count Sion and Poppy.
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Good point, however I still am curious if this is a possibility.
Kinda depends on what an AD support would actually do. Presumably it wouldn't be a traditional support. My guess is such a support would likely be a secondary damage champ, possibly debuffing the enemy team. (like say MF)
Then you have the matter of itemization. Creating an AD GP10 item would likely not fly, as it would be picked up by the ADC, granting them more gold as well. But that in mind, if the AD is melee, they can still benefit from the Relic shield line, MF does pretty well with the Spell thief line, and the coin line is relatively universal.
And again, it's difficult to really create an AD support item, that won't get abused by the ADC or other AD's on the team. The closest thing we have right now his Zeek's, which can grant a whopping 50% crit chances once charged.
OurLestrade1 votesWhat is this AD support obsession? Just means the enemy has an easier time stacking resistances
Oelyk1 votesI think it would be interesting.
Zane Zephyr1 voteseveryone can benefit off of building AD, not everyone benefits from AP
and mainly for the reason you just stated, supports aren't ideally supposed to be doing a lot of damage or consistent damage and even if they do it's supposed to be outweighed by their utility
there's not really any way you can mix building AD with utility without it being a balancing nightmare unless they had some very very niche mechanics or utility that would make it difficult to outright exploit
Oelyk1 votesI could counter argue that "supports" are the same thing, Lux brand malzahar all dish out the damage and minimal cc.
Zane Zephyr1 votesBut they're not traditional supports. They're mages that were taken supports, bar lux. They get played because of their damage and not so much their utility, and they also have to sacrifice one or the other in their build and don't get to fully utilize either one of them.
Oelyk1 votesBeing untraditional doesn't mean that they have been extremely popular and/or highly effective in all elos, even LCS.
Zane Zephyr1 votesThat's not what I'm saying, I'm saying that they're not "classic" supports, like janna or lulu. Brand and malz are not meant for the bot lane. Their kits dont have any buffing or ally-supporting benefits to them.
An AD support that provided utility would have to have too many limitations to make it function. They would have to be melee and have almost zero mobility, because by building AD their auto-harass in lane would be unbearable. Any damage spells woiuld have to have shit for damage for the same reason as well. They also couldn't really have any natural sustain because of lifesteal. There's not any items that would make an AD support work and like others said, other people would abuse it so it wouldnt be possible.
Oelyk1 votesI don't think support should be whittled down to just heal and CC and warding, the more I think about it, the more I am convinced from two specific examples.
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Both these are good in some way, both based on weakening the enemy or just cleaving defense.
Supports that cripple others even without a ton of hard CC are valuable.
So why not AD scaling supports?
RenownedWheat421 votesI think the problem this presents to team comps would be more trouble than it'd be worth. Even with some mages taking the marksman position (Ziggs in particular), this would end up most commonly giving you a double-AD bot lane.
Oelyk1 votesI actually dont think it would be all that bad for "all AD" comps. if top mid jungle and bot are AD and you have a Zyra, thats still all AD in my book. The support gated is gold gated unlike the other roles, hence less ability to deal damage.
On the off hand, it may be possible to bring more power to AP midlaners who are not stacked MR against because more AD threat.
Choten1 votesThere's no AD labeled supports but there are a few you could try.
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2. Permaslows, Vision, Ranged Stun
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Slows, Snare/Pull, Damage Reduction, Armor Reduction, Vision (on E)
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Aoe- Snare, Aoe- Slow, Healing Reduction
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helps your AD teammates and 
stops healing
Asayake 5150glow1 votesAny tank can grab an Iceborn and do decent AD damage.
Sure they aren't AD but still.
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