Who builds attack speed, but gains no attack speed who builds crit, but does less crit damage who gains MS, but from crit who's ms boost from crit scales off as who can have the most ad in the game, without building ad
Roseluck50 voteswho can have the most ad in the game, without building ad
DorkunedAuras3 votesI'm pretty sure that's about 300 total AD at least, probably higher.
Krinu15 votes115 (base AD) + 26.125 (base armor) + 150 (thornmail armor) + 15 (runes) = 306.125
Yup, about 300.
Dan Abnormal1 voteswhat about when u activate w, the armor it gives scales with armor no?
Krinu1 votesI didn't factor in activated abilities or things like the rift buff. If you want to include those, his W increases his AD by 35, bringing the subtotal to 341.125.
Throw in the 6% AD buff from Dragon and you're sitting at 361.59.
Daedalus8711 votesWhat if it's dragon five with baron and you have a Taric and AP Janna on your team?
MVDuneCats6 votesTime to petition Riot to add items with negative attack speed, so we can itemize against Thornmail Rammus.
El Condor Pasa20 votesIs the answer to the riddle Jhin?
Spoofghoul81 votesNo its yasuo
Blackstone0117 votesNo, this is Patrick.
Alleo1 votesNo Patrick mayonnaise is not an instrument.
ShinobisDemon6 votes[{quoted}](name=Terrible Tornado,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ppHd1MRZ,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-01-13T07:00:23.762+0000)
Is the answer to the riddle Jhin?
your mum
Zadic20 votes{quoted} who can have the most ad in the game, without building ad
hecarim with a full movespd buff team?
Durzaka1 votesIf Hecarim built pure 100% AD possibly. not sure what the max speed is with a full out team, so cant really do the math.
Hyrum Graff2 votesIf Hecarim built pure 100% AD possibly. not sure what the max speed is with a full out team, so cant really do the math.
I think you missed the "without building AD" part.
TheLastShadow4517 votes
gets reload speed.
does 20% less crit damage.
MunchCrunchLunch5 votes
what?
TheLastShadow4513 votesI was answering his questions.
doesn't really get AS from building AS, instead he gets reload speed.
has 20% less crit damage.
So I don't know why you would say what because what I said is fairly simple to understand.
MunchCrunchLunch2 votesI was answering his questions.
So I don't know why you would say what because what I said is fairly simple to understand.
didn't know yasuo does less damage. its 10 % off crit. so 20% total damage. he does full crit. and graves does get attack speed. its a combination of reload speed and attack speed between his attacks.
ennear1 votesA little more info, the attack speed he builds only affects the reload slightly, the rest of it is front loaded into the time between his attacks.
TyroneWatermelon3 votes10% on autoattacks,which is a joke compared to double crit chance
Ariel the Cruel3 voteshis Q also does 25% reduced crit.
TyroneWatermelon3 votesBut his core damage deals 10% reduced which is nothing.
Ariel the Cruel3 votesI'm not defending his crit passive, it leads to counter-intuitive power curves that make him incredibly frustrating (more so when you add the bonus armor pen from his ult). But the crit reduction isn't "nothing".
He deals 180% AD on crit - 225% with IE. His Q does 150% AD on crit - 187.5% with IE (+20-100 damage based on rank). He does pay for the double crit-chance with his late-game DPS. Personally, I don't think his late-game DPS is worth the early-game safety net; but that's not a numbers issue.
TyroneWatermelon1 votesDon't forget that combined with lord dominik's regards you have almost 0 bonus armor
Ariel the Cruel2 votesLast whisper Actually applies after Last breath - they're not added. So 100 armor -> 50 -> 35 200 -> 100 -> 70 It's special cased (I think - Can't see the code).
But his ult is still gives a lot of stats which contributes to his awkward power curves.
TyroneWatermelon1 votesYou are wrong m8. Copy pasting the wiki content I see. Lord dominik's regards has changed by the way. Yasuo's ult effect combined with 40% bonus armor penetration penetrates 70% of the target's bonus armor,so if a target got 200 armor,and the bonus is 120 as usually most champs got 80 armor at level 18,means you penetrate 84 armor,and then 7% armor left thanks to mastery,then 100% crit chance with 15% bonus overall damage(because no chamoion would get 120 bonus armor without more than 500 health built in. The 15% bonus damage to targets with more 500 health than you completely shatters Yasuo's crit "penality"
Ariel the Cruel1 votesI never factored LDR. You talked about bonus armor, so I only factored the LW passive (30% bonus armor pen). I also didn't factor base armor because it was irrelevant to the discussion. Though on second glance, I did overlook that LDR and MR have an extra 10%. (I need to play AD's more often.) So... 100 -> 50 -> 30 200 -> 100 -> 600
LDR's damage amp in general is kinda silly. That's not really on Yasuo.
Celeste Benal1 votes10% reduced damage on AAs is 10% reduced damage. You can't crit without an AA or ability. It means that a crit with IE that would normally do 250% damage deals only 225%. A crit without IE deals 180% damage instead of 200%. Its pretty substantial.
morris14 votesI feel as if 
will be an incredibly good item on him after he gets typical crit items.
Penns3 votesI dont think he is out on pbe yet, so how do you know he gets more AD from building things like 
than from building straight ad?
Kotex2 votesI dont think he is out on pbe yet, so how do you know he gets more AD from building things like
Because thats what has already been said on the information he was revealed with. It's been said that he gets AD from AS items. So a standard AD build that would include AS items to increase AS, they would instead increase his overall AD and leave his AS the same. 
So supposedly he can incorporate these standard ADC items that are supposed to give AS and crit are supposed to give him more AD. DId you not read his information?
Penns2 votesNah I know he gets "more" AD, but I meant: How can you know he gets more AD from building AS/ crit items than any other champ would get from building full AD? Because OP wrote "the highest AD in the game without building AD".
Celeste Benal1 votesI'm willing to bet that since AS and crit chance both increase dps multiplicatively by their respective cumulative bonuses, that it will be a 1.0 ratio for both AS and crit chance. ie: total AD x (1+bonus AS) x (1+crit chance). This is already how to calculate AA damage over time anyway. So I see no reason to change it.
The interesting part will be if it actually increases his AD, or if it is just some sort of AA modifier or on-hit. If it actually increases his AD, then any AD-scaling abilities will also see amplified damage. Building something like Bloodthirster late could theoretically double his damage across the board.
It all really depends on how his damage will be calculated. Until we know that, its hard to theory craft how to itemize Jhin.
Pengod1 votesI dont think he is out on pbe yet, so how do you know he gets more AD from building things like
When he launches on the PBE I will check the scalings and let you know. This is probably one of the biggest questions about him.
Penns1 votesI havent seen him with only attack speed/ crit items, but he probably wont reach a lot since it increases his AD by x% and not by a flat amount.
Gigahappytown1 votesI havent seen him with only attack speed/ crit items, but he probably wont reach a lot since it increases his AD by x% and not by a flat amount.
yeah
a ideal build would be 2x zeal item 3x b.f sword item and boots
replace a b.f sword item with LDR if the enemy stacks more than 2 armor items
Meep Man3 votesSo basically, we want a bunch of attack speed and critical strike on this guy, with a little bit of AD mixed in there.
So, a build like: 
This gives him 110% critical strike chance, 175% attack speed, and 90 extra attack damage. Im assuming here, but if he gets 1% extra attack damage for every 1% critical strike chance and 1% attack speed, thats 285% increased attack damage, making this give him 346.5 attack damage, excluding base AD. Average ADC base AD is around 100 so that,s about another 385 plus 346.5, so that's about 731.5 attack damage, rounded to 732. That's a LOT of attack damage. Then again, he will likely be shooting a little bit less than once each second since he can't gain attack speed or critical strike every attack, just every 4th attack. That 4th attack will hurt like hell with Infinity Edge... likely.
He also gains movement speed per critical strike which I'm not even gonna try and calculate. If he does it right, he will likely be getting the 4th proc and then going super sonic speeds for a short few seconds. I personally can't wait to see how this works.
Tis a nice day2 votesI'd probably swap out BotRK with something else due to his inevitably slow AS. RapidFire cannon would be amazing on him though especially if he can time in his 4th attack.
Hotlin3 Fling3 voteswho can have the most ad in the game, without building ad
With Atma's
YumaS2Astral1 votes
Atma's don't exist anymore.
Daedalus8713 votesAi crai every time.
Craft Zeppelin1 votesif only yoomu's wasnt reworked it would have been a godly item on him
But Im Nunu2 votesWell, Runaan's gives crit now...so not too bad.
chide da jungler1 votes"who is super hard to balance because any change to AD items will also require their passive ratios to be tweaked, which won't happen"
Kensue1 votes[deleted]
Champion Skin1 votesHe also gains MS on crit and he gains more MS the more AS he has
Hay5eed1 votesIt's not a riddle. It's really simple.
Take
remove buckshot
add two shots
add Caitlyn's passive, but instead of 7 shots, it's 4
fourth shot is a guarenteed crit
Crit's provide MS.
Granted, it's a lot to take in, it isn't hard to understand. It's not like an ADC that gains AS from max health, or does damage based off of armor, or gains movespeed off of AP. His build is going to be a TAD different then most ADC's, but it will still be recognizable as an ADC build
