We live in a world where Aatrox, Urgot, Sion, and Heimerdinger are top tier picks at worlds.

Bârd·Oct 21, 2018·56 votes·16,979 views

Thinking back to what these guys were like in season 3.... what a time to be alive lol.

52 Comments

Slythrin UmbreonOct 21, 201838 votes

Waiting for Bard Meta

TheMoralSupportOct 21, 201827 votes

What about the unspoken rule to never talk about Bard so the balance team can't f*ck him up, Shhhh

MordepoolOct 21, 20188 votes

Maybe they should take a look at that stunning through spell shields business

ez mental boomOct 21, 20184 votes

His q is two separate effects: the damage+slow and the stun. The stun comes after the damage+slow.

Automated RivenOct 21, 20189 votes

If you spell shield the q the game should act as tho you were not hit by the ability. Thats the point of the spell shield. Getting stunned after you shielded doesn't make any sense.

NaturesMayhemOct 21, 20181 votes

Hey, if you're invisible under or near tower, you should be revealed. Thats the point of the tower's passive, the one that reveals enemies. Getting killed under tower without tower doing anything as they remain invisible doesn't make any sense. Sound familiar? Akali's W. Riot has obviously stopped caring about what makes sense and what doesn't, especially when it comes to the interaction of spells between champions and items.

Kats PajamasOct 21, 20181 votes

If you use the shield AFTER the slow damage is applied, but BEFORE the stun is applied, I would assume it negates the stun. I feel like I've seen this happen personally.

It must hit 2 targets to stun, so if you body block it and shield, I think you skip the cc.

worst case scenario, you're blocking huge damage

Z3SleeperOct 21, 20181 votes

Yeah but if you block the projectile that marks you, shouldn't it block the stun that procs off said mark?

It really doesn't make sense.

Velzard of KozOct 21, 20181 votes

Black shields generally work weirdly. It simply consumes the slow and gives no care afterwards. Unruly. Typical Generation Z Black shield.

MordepoolOct 21, 20182 votes

His Q is 1 ability spell shields block 1 ability

Mordes ult is 2 different effect turns out if you spell shield it blocks the whole ability
i dont magically get a ghost if i kill you when it spell shielded.

Thats how it should work with Bards stun aswell.

Fnatic ComeShotOct 21, 20181 votes

Balance team will evetually fck up everything what is not fcked up yet. These guys are kind of people I would not even hire in Mcdonalds

chipndip1Oct 21, 20183 votes

Aphromoo tried him out.

And got fucking body bagged.

saltranOct 21, 20181 votes

Aphromoo /s

L RayquazaOct 21, 201819 votes

The funny thing is Urgot was horrifyingly strong before his update, he just chewed through mana like crazy, if you faced him top he would poke you to oblivion and you could do even less, people just didn't play him

Warlord DienekesOct 21, 201811 votes

Eh. Oldgot was a very strong hard counter pick. But his kit was kinda all over the place, which left his mid to late game struggling to find a workable niche. You could (and I did) make him work. But I wouldn't go as far as saying horrifyingly strong.

Hell of a lane bully though.

Automated RivenOct 21, 201812 votes

Super strong in lane doesn't mean really strong. He was next to useless past 20 minutes.

FullmuteAll playOct 21, 201810 votes

He was very strong at not allowing almost any champion to snowball. He had a very unique kit consisting of utility, brusier, poke, peel, engage. He didn't carry, but not all champions are able to carry in League. Right now I don't know any other champion having such characteristics as old Urgot. And it is sad.

Slythrin UmbreonOct 21, 20187 votes

Kinda wish they kept his old ult. Old ult makes more sense on new kit, new ult makes more sense on old kit.

CinthOct 21, 20181 votes

He had the old yorick problem, strong in lane, terrible mid to late because he brought nothing to team fights.

chipndip1Oct 21, 201815 votes

But fuck Riot right guys?

ModCaptainMårvelousOct 21, 201833 votes

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But fuck Riot right guys?

##Local Players disgusted by Riot allowing unusual champions to see the light of day.

"I just don't fucking get it," quoted one player. "Heimer doesn't even have ONE dash. How can he be even remotely pickable!?" said a proud Iron 2 player.

Velzard of KozOct 21, 20181 votes

I love how Riot didn't name the rank Wood to avoid it having instant bad rep from memes and we already meming that shit. There's no stopping the memes.

ModCaptainMårvelousOct 21, 20181 votes

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I love how Riot didn't name the rank Wood to avoid it having instant bad rep from memes and we already meming that shit. There's no stopping the memes.

Whenever there is a "lowest" rank, there will always be a meme about it.

Like ok we can't call them wood but we can call them "Iron Giants"

Moody POct 21, 201812 votes

almost like they aren't remotely similar haha

AwoofOct 21, 20184 votes

To be fair, Heimerdinger is for one single player.

DivewingOct 22, 20181 votes

Yeah IDK Heim is up there...

It's a pocket pick, not a meta one.

ankoanko19Oct 21, 20183 votes

Season 5 Urgot was lit af tho

KVbqbFsC8eOct 21, 201810 votes

He was a Zed counter for like 2 weeks and then went back to being irrelevant.

ZeromatsuOct 21, 20183 votes

They are different champs now... So comparing their worlds appearance with season 3 standards isn't relaly appropriate. They could be new champs and the result would be the same, except that their old states would be still not picked.

Same goes for Galio, literally a new champ.

SangreDeNocheOct 21, 20182 votes

Almost like all of those champs had reworks to their kits (yes, even heim if you can remember it!)

FSREROct 22, 20182 votes

Aatrox, might be picked at worlds but he is not that great. He reminds me of renekton who will probably win lane just like aatrox but in teamfights he will die after doing some damage.

Urgot at toplane is just broken right now. Unsealed spellbook with tank runes, his q will dead up to 300 damage in lane and he will be able to 1v1 you because he will suddenly change from tp and flash to exhaust ignite. Try and counter that! (right now even jax loses to him who was supposed to be his ultra counter alongside with teemo).

Sion is good just because of his new turrent pushing build.

And i really dont know about heimer.

Yordle XayahOct 22, 20182 votes

I mean... Heimer, sure (If a single person playing him is "Top tier" as a standard for Worlds)

Aatrox, Urgot and Sion are essentially new champions that replaced old characters Riot never liked, and they're no different than Ornn or Pyke. They're new characters that have little to nothing to do with those old champions you're thinking about.

ez mental boomOct 21, 20181 votes

Was Aatrox around in season 3? I actually have no idea when he released, I just know he was the first release I actually paid attention to.

kargishOct 21, 20181 votes

Clearly you didn't

Death by GlamourOct 21, 20181 votes

wasn't aatrox jungle played in s3 worlds?

Wert the WackyOct 21, 20181 votes

I’m just worried Urgot’s going to get unjust nerfs now. I played him before the pros started slaughtering everyone as him, and he doesn’t seem to be part of Riot’s approved list.

FlemmanOct 21, 20181 votes

tbh, I play him a lot too since his rework and him not showing earlier in the pro scene was strange to me (as he was able to smash every top tier pick since mid season)

I kinda feel he deserve some kind of scaling adjustment, he doesn't have a real weakness atm for the opponent to play around (except smashing his team before 15 min)

Wert the WackyOct 22, 20181 votes

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tbh, I play him a lot too since his rework and him not showing earlier in the pro scene was strange to me (as he was able to smash every top tier pick since mid season)

I kinda feel he deserve some kind of scaling adjustment, he doesn't have a real weakness atm for the opponent to play around (except smashing his team before 15 min)

He’s slow as hell as has near zero mobility which is a huge weakness. He eats mana if you spam nonstop as well, so it’s not like he can poke forever. Yeah, if he gets ahead he’s going to be really hard to stop, but until then you have all the time I’m the world to get a good gank and dumpster him.

FlemmanOct 22, 20181 votes

but that's not really a weakness poeple can use against him. (as he tend to farm easily under tower anyway)

A good urgot player know those weakness too and, because of that will make sure to never spend too much mana (it's not like you have good roam potential anyway so there is no need to fast push with spell)

Imo, if I as an urgot decide to just farm while keeping my E/W in case I get ganked, there is little to nothing the enemy laner can do about (bonus point : if he try any engage on me he will lose the trade everytime because he will play my game)

Urgot isn't the type of champion who need to hard win the lane to be relevant, he just need to not hard lose. As soon as the player understand that, he can blindpick the champ into anything and always do good.

If in the next few patch his kit get a small nerf/adjustment, it will not be a scandal at all (passive change seems the more reasonable target atm)

KmSneakyOct 21, 20181 votes

We live in a world where every single reworked AD character is broken and/or stupid to play, while AP ones are just forgotten after a month because they're not viable item 3070 Nunu

viktator1Oct 21, 20181 votes

What about Akali Akali ? She's pretty fucking stupid as well. Her dmg is extremely high, and hard to dodge.

KmSneakyOct 21, 20181 votes

Even tho a manaless /24/7 dashing/ true stealth assassin goes in the "stupid to play" case, I don't feel like she is that popular, maybe because she relies on skillshots ? idk :X

TarewOct 21, 20181 votes

Yet Riot still has yet to fix the Tristana bug where CC doesn't matter on her because she just jumps away through it.

KazekibaOct 21, 20182 votes

Thats just how spell queuing and dashes work. Any dash (or Arcane Shift) with a wind up will go off if the stun connects as the dash begins. Charm used to be the sole exception but they fixed that bug

RakvirOct 21, 20181 votes

Every one of those champions has gone under massive changes so it’s not exactly surprising. Heimer is the only one which is not unidentifiable from his previous version.

KazekibaOct 21, 20181 votes

Heimer isnt top tier. He's a staple of one single player from when mage bot was dominant meta.

How and when has Sion ever been a bad champion when his ult reams towers and is a powerful roaming tool, and he can absorb burst and even fight long after death making dives riskier and easy controlling objectives.