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@Riot, Reguarding the Zoe Nerfs & How to Fix/Balance Her

PeachyBubbleStar··5 votes·380 views

So obviously unless you live under a rock, Zoe got nerfed and by nerfed i mean OVER nerfed... i don't care about anything in her kit being nerfed other than her Q and i'm not necessarily talking about her Q getting -20% damage because frankly i feel like i can deal with that, even though it SHOULD'VE been more like -15%...

The issue comes from her now USELESS wave clear and cs'ing... She can't wave clear for shit early or even late game (self tested) even with items... I get why the idea was to nerf it, but they did it wrong (putting it on live before realizing it was a horrible idea too) What needs to happen to balance her back out is simple.

Her Q bonus aoe passive damage needs to be reverted back... against champions it can be removed for the AOE but at LEAST against minions this aoe bonus damage needs to return or at LEAST return the majority of the aoe bonus damage (towards minions, it doesn't have to be against champions) Iv'e noticed that i have absolutely no problem tbh with any of her other nerfs, but this one took the cake and threw the whole champion into the dumpster... Basically she needs to have the bonus aoe more sparkles damage returned once again AT LEAST against minions, so she has proper cs'ing and wave clear, because as of now with the damage removed it is literally garbage and next to useless to even attempt trying to q minions even at max range to try and kill them(it'll barely EVER even 1 shot the first minion hit...)... Either it needs to be reverted or some (majority) of the damage needs to be given back to the aoe passive bonus with q...

Another thing i think should be an addition because i find it pooh, her W missiles need to deal SLIGHTLY more damage or something because as of right now, they're literally like chucking a grain of sand at a boulder and expecting it to leave a dent... it's more useless than Ahri's w...

TL;DR - Revert the bonus passive damage AOE on Q or add the majority of the damage back to the aoe (Probably just against minions) because her main issue is only her wave clear and cs'ing... & her W could use a TEENSY bit more damage on her missiles because they're useless. also the damage on her q should've been reduced by -15% not -20% Zoe

9 Comments

Dope Solo2 votes

Do you want wave clear, or single target burst on low cooldown? Pick one.

PeachyBubbleStar3 votes

{quoted}

Do you want wave clear, or single target burst on low cooldown? Pick one.

let's not. this isn't a pick and choose game, she needs balance and her having garbage wave clear late and early game WHICH IS PSYCHO THAT HER LATE GAME WAVE CLEAR IS NON EXISTENT, is utterly bad. Also, She is a burst mage and all other burst mages already now have better wave clear than her... Even Lux.. and Everyone says Lux's wave clear is horrible til u get items, Zoe's is horrible WITH items.

Dope Solo1 votes

Z has low cool downs to make up for it, How about you increase the waveclear, and increase the cooldown 7-10 secs. Or maybe increase the manacost 300%, that might be more fair.

Dope Solo1 votes

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PeachyBubbleStar1 votes

{quoted}

Z has low cool downs to make up for it, How about you increase the waveclear, and increase the cooldown 7-10 secs.

don't forget and please take into consideration she gets no form of reward for hitting enemies with her abilities at all anymore, not even decent damage tbh. she also has a unique burst mage kit with the majority of her damage singled into a long ranged thin skill shot nuke meaning She needs low cd's on her only actual damage ability. Her cd on her q at max should only be at most 5.25 seconds at max with cd reduction. if she can't spam her q, she can't do anything. Remember that. (Edit, also why would they make it cost so much mana, you're trying to make excuses to make her bad... She still needs to offer something as a champion and be useful together and on her own, if she goes mana starved and can't use abilities after casting like 3 q's how exactly is she supposed to be useful ever? )

Dope Solo1 votes

A skill shot w AOE was never much of a skill shot. You could land that with your eyes closed. Also burst mages have a rotation of skills to go through to reach their bursty potential, including an R with a high cooldown.

PeachyBubbleStar1 votes

{quoted}

A skill shot w AOE was never much of a skill shot. You could land that with your eyes closed. Also burst mages have a rotation of skills to go through to reach their bursty potential, including an R with a high cooldown.

You really can't... Her q doesn't always land... like, ever. it's more common to miss it, haven't you even noticed that she has like 20 lines for just missing her q's... once again take into consideration it's her literal only real damage... and if it can't do it's job how exactly do you think zoe can do her own job. she's a burst mage, y'know, Lux, Veigar, Ahri, Syndra (before ahri and syndra got gutted and are now barely played and next to bad but still better than zoe) If you wanna be logical, if it's so unfair that zoe can almost 1 shot, why would u consider it fair that veigar has a point click 1 shot and Lux can get pentas in a split second if lined up correctly and gets double&triple kills like it isn't a thing... Not to mention, Lux's cd on her ult usually sits at 15 seconds the majority of a game. meaning she has a spammable AOE 1 shot kit........ Y'know Like Zoe... except can target way more ppl at a time and zoe can only target a single person.

PeachyPosterior1 votes

She needs her waveclear back to feel good. I agree her damage should be -15% instead of -20%. I'm hoping they tweak her just right so she feels good to play and is still fair to play against.

Netorare1 votes

People just need to learn to dodge skill shots better instead of whining about zoe. She is a burst mage and she is supposed to burst people down, i dont see the damn problem.

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