Why XP and gold in jungle are so bad that our junglers steal our CS in lane ?

StormBladeMaster··5 votes·1,925 views

I'am the only one who find this disturbing ? Junglers are made to farm in jungle, why would you like them to steal some minions when they gank ?

In all professional jungler videos, you see junglers who are ganking and when the gank is finished, they kill some minions on the lane. I wonder if it's because jungle is poor ? I think they don't gain enough XP and gold from farming otherwise they would not do that.

In season 4-5-6 and even 7, i never have seen this. Junglers was farming in jungle, they ganked, do objectives but they never ganked and after steal some CS unless they have to defend tower when the laner isn't here but otherwise they didn't killed minions.

Now, goods junglers are the one who kill some minions when they come (i say come because even if the gank don't work or fail, they will steal CS) which is stupid to my opinion because junglers have a jungle with monsters to kill. So why they must CS our lane to gain XP and gold ?

But yeah, i forget, XP and gold in jungle are bad. That why jungle is a disaster in this season. No wonder why everyone go LeeSin Khazix Vi Kayn XinZhao JarvanIV Evelynn Sejuani Nunu ...

Farming isn't interesting in jungle, so why would you focus on farm when you can gank 24/24 ? You have way more impact if you permagank than if you try to steal your enemy jungler CS in his jungle. Also the XP and the golds aren't enough satisfying to make others strategies.

For example, it's hard to punish your enemy jungler if he decides to gank a lot and if he is better than you at ganking. You can try to farm in his jungle and steal his monsters but it's will have less impact.

Jungling is only about ganking and objectives now which is annoying because farming is also an important thing and if XP and gold was higher in jungle, jungling will be less stressful and more fair. It's would open others strategies and bring back some champs in jungle who aren't very good at making ganks.

Also it's would help your jungle if he is behind. In this meta, your jungler has difficulties = 60 to 80% chances of losing the game. Objectives are really important (maybe too much), ganking is too much important and too much rewarded while farming isn't worth enough to make a strategy based on it.

The benefits of buffing XP and gold in jungle :

_This will reduce this "clown" jungle fiesta with only high ganking potential junglers and allow more champions to be viable in jungle. Make the game less cancer, add another possiblity of farming and counterjungling if the enemy jungler is ganking too much and not focusing enough on farming.

_Will help junglers to not become useless when they have difficulties on the game. They will be able to farm and progress. Put less pressure on jungle which is a good thing.

_Junglers will not need anymore to steal CS on our lanes when they gank.

And to make jungle better, you can also :

_Nerf drakes buffs, especially the fire one. Drakes should be important but the buffs are too much important. _Remove the scuttle, add nothing to the jungle gameplay except making it RNG and fustrating. _Reduce turrets plating gold _Increase turret dmg for early levels

_Make wards CD longer from level 1 to 11, so people will be forced to buy red wards and have a better map awareness when they face ganking oriented junglers.

13 Comments

Quiet Dude3 votes

You gotta pay the troll toll if you wanna get the boys soul.

edit: "Reality is often disappointing."

overpoweredscrub2 votes

It's called jungle tax. Junglers want to take a few minions when they come gank because instead of farming, they took the time to come to your lane to gank so they need a few minions to make up for them not farming when they came to gank.

Anyway, yeah i do think jungle gold and xp is a bit low relative to how hard or long it takes to clear camps. Sure some champs can clear really well but not all junglers have the same clear speed. I don't really jungle, but when I've tried a few times, I'm always at best, the same level as my top laner or mid if I farm very well, but it is always hard to catch up in level to them especially with how hard monsters hit you. This was of course some time in season 4 or 5 so i dont remember for sure and don't know how similar that is to how jungle is now.

Last note, I want pizza.

StormBladeMaster1 votes

You need this Sivir skin to help you to satisfy your hungry desires about pizza :).

Jungle tax didn't existed back in season 4-5 and it's was much better. It's wasn't needed because jungle was fine. Now jungle is so poor that jungler must tax their laners.

overpoweredscrub1 votes

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You need this Sivir skin to help you to satisfy your hungry desires about pizza :).

Jungle tax didn't existed back in season 4-5 and it's was much better. It's wasn't needed because jungle was fine. Now jungle is so poor that jungler must tax their laners.

https://youtu.be/xD7VayT4KqQ This video is around the same time i started playing league.... in 2013. That was around season 3. Jungle tax was always a thing in season 3

StormBladeMaster1 votes

I never have seen jungle tax in season 4, 5, 6 and i'm playing in Silver/gold and i have some plats sometimes in my team or in the enemy team.

This season is the first season where i see jungle tax in my games.

overpoweredscrub1 votes

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I never have seen jungle tax in season 4, 5, 6 and i'm playing in Silver/gold and i have some plats sometimes in my team or in the enemy team.

This season is the first season where i see jungle tax in my games.

well maybe the people you played with just didn't know about minion tax but as you can see from the video, it was posted in 2013 and that's the year i started playing league somewhere in season 3. So I can assure you, it's been around for a while eversince 2013.

The thigh guy2 votes

Yeah. Jungle gold and experience sucks so bad, we get more than an entire camp gives us by taking 4 minions and leeching half xp

Mortismo1 votes

its not taxing its pushing the lane.

after doing a succesful gank (where you force your opponent back to base), you should always push the wave together so they miss as much cs as possible

StormBladeMaster1 votes

Pushing is different from last hitting.

What junglers do : Last hit minions

What they should do : Help you to push

And by the way, they do this even if the gank isn't succesful.

Mortismo1 votes

i wont help my laner push if i dont get any of the cs

when i play jg and start taxing my lanes is when theyre like 0/4 and i know theyre gonna do nothing for the rest of the game

Lokiethegod1 votes

You have to pay your taxes!!!!!!!! But on a real note as a jungler If I pull of a decent gank or I see a wave pushing into tower without you there im csing/taking it. I'm losing exp and gold by coming into your lane to help you get a lead that being said if i end up getting the kill most of the time I dont tax since im the one who got the kill gold but ill still help you shove in if you are playing a champ with bad wave clear or if you are just low on mana.

StormBladeMaster1 votes

Nah, Robin hood don't pay taxes, he is exempt.

Junglers are thieves who steal all our minions. #Balanceyourjungler :)

(if you don't understand it, it's the #metoo but in canadian version).

Z3RO1231 votes

the reason why they added more value to objectives (turret plates, drakes, rift herald, baron) and nerfing gold and exp in jungle camps. is to "encourage" the jungler have to actually gank and look at macro. instead of farming. which we saw seasons 3,4,5. thats why we saw 45 min to 1 hr games because junglers refused to get objectives (they still do cuz they're trash). Yes this punished farming junglers alot and put priority to ganking junglers. but this made the game shorter because people had to fight over objectives and also rewarded those who saw the better macro. From what i've seen, most farming jungler players lack overall vision and proactivity to impact the game. I'm so glad that that meta is long gone and finally we can finish games optimally in 20-25 minutes. 35 at most.

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