I died, i opened the recap : TRUE DAMAGE EVERYWHERE...

StormBladeMaster··6 votes·1,545 views

Back when only Ahri (with her Q), Vayne (with her W), MasterYi with his E, Velkoz with his passive and Darius with his R had true dmg.

Then Fiora was reworked, Camille was created (ok she is not that problematic compared to Fiora).

And then, you reworked runes. Conqueror and True shoot allow champs to deal true dmg. Basically, you removed every possibility of tanking.

Now when you die, you can see 1/3 of the damage deal (if not more) is true dmg.

There is too much dmg but there is also too much true dmg. I hope you will address the problem in season 10 because i don't know the utility of tanking if you can still die in less than 2-3s.

I shoudn't see that much true dmg in a game, especially when the enemies aren't playing one of the champs that have true dmg in their kits.

**But you know how you tank now ? Substain. It's how you tank now. **

With Triumph, you pray for assist to regen yourself a lot of HP. If you want survive longer in a fight, then you must substain or be feed.

But in lategame, tanking don't even exist. The adc melt you in a few second. That why you need to have a big advantage in early/mid and finish the game fast if you want your tank items to be worth it.

Now Malphites aren't building tank anymore, they go full ap and press R to delete 1 or 2 champs in a teamfight. It's worth it to die if you kill an important target after all right ?

If you are CC, you die instantly because of True shoot who will proc on you.

summoner 14 and even summoner 11 deals true dmg.

You don't have enough ? Don't worry you have Lethality and item 3071 to reduce armor to a very low level which allow your champ to deal true dmg on target with low armor and reduce armor efficienty.

Also you have the %HP dmg to prevent you from tanking. You have item 3151 who deal %HP dmg and some champs like Kaisa Brand or KogMaw deals %HP dmg.

And you have hybrid dmg champs, who prevent you from building correctly vs them because they deal both dmg : Jax Kaisa KogMaw .

And you have some strange champ who have an execute ability that allow them to kill someone if he is under a %HP like Pyke (you don't know if it's true dmg or physical but it's still kill you and ignore your armor and magic resist).

Everything is made to prevent you from tanking...

Reduce the dmg please, if you made armor and magic resist, maybe there is a reason that could explain why all champs aren't supposed to deal true dmg.

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boricCentaur14 votes

Damage is fine you are just feeding nothing else.

Zero Shingetsu3 votes

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Damage is fine you are just feeding nothing else.

This is an incredibly foolish reply when OP gave 13 champions, two items, and two summoner spells that either literally or effectively apply true damage, and explained why and how they make tanking more difficult. This reply is like someone giving an impassioned presentation in the board room, with charts, graphs, and figures, and you just responding with "Nah, you're just incompetent." Do you even tank? Can you even weigh in on this? Far as I can tell, you main casters.

boricCentaur11 votes

Because the op clearly has never played a tank vs any of them. Since the true damage they do is only a small part. Like yi is the only one that actually does something with true damage. Like vayne's true damage isn't much if you are a tank dying to her you will see 80% of her damage is not true damage.

Also most of those champions aren't played or get COUNTERED my tanks like yi. Yi can easily kill a tank in a 1v1 but in a team fight he is fucked he will just get cced and die.

Like lethality GET COUNTERED BY ARMOR. I played a game of ornn vs rengar and he couldn't do jack fucking shit vs me. But the op makes it look up lethality is a counter WHEN IT'S NOT.

Why do I have to explain myself vs someone very clearly making no sense?

Tank can do there jobs just fine.

Also I don't know where this idea that I main casters despite my op.gg showing I don't play lot of ranked like I only have 3 champions with over 10 games played and two of them are tanks.

Like in my past games in the last two days the fastest I died was because of a cho ult.

StormBladeMaster1 votes

A small part ? 1/3 of your life isn't a small part actually. Btw saying that dmg is not a problem in this meta where everyone almost oneshoot, feel like you don't play the game.

Ofc, there is more physical or magical dmg than true dmg, thanks ! I'm just saying the part of true dmg is too high compared to physical and magical dmg. True dmg are supposed to be rare, it's not the case since everytime i open my recap, i saw true dmg who represent 15% to 40% of my healt.

No, lethality is a pen flat armor. The definition of "pen armor" is penetrate armor right ? Except if you have 200 armor or more, lethality is a problem. Lethality is still better than build AD vs a tank since it's flat pen armor. Before Lethality existed, tanks were fine and tanky. Now they get destroyed in a few seconds. Ofc, Lethality isn't the only problem but it's mean "you have to build more armor to be effective", when back in season 6-7, you only had to have 100/120 armor to be tanky. Now you need more because of lethality in some ways.

Armor counter lethality if you stack armor.

Also don't forget you have "armor reduction debuff" + lethality + true dmg + % hp dmg + 45% or 40% CDR which mean spamming spells and you can't tank vs that. Even if you go armor to counter lethality and you stack it, you will still be vulnerable to magical dmg, to true dmg, to %HP dmg...

You faced a Rengar with Orn and you won, wow... it's supposed to be representative of the game ?

Tanks can only tank if they have advantage or if their name is "Nasus".

Tanks are now just CC and dmg. Tankiness don't exist.

Another point is the "snowballing" in this meta who prevents tank from being useful. When your bot lane is feeding, no matter how much armor you can stack, it's useless if your team feeds.

By the way, if you are 0/0/0 on top lane with the enemy top laner and your bot lane is 0/4/0, the other adc will have more items. That mean you will need to have more armor to counter it.

But if the adc has hybrid dmg, then you need to build armor and magical resistance and you need to build HP too.

Now if you are playing vs Fiora in top lane and there is an enemy Kai'sa in the bot lane and an Orianna mid.

How do you tank ? You can't tank Fiora since she make true dmg with % HP, Orianna has a huge DPS and can schred tanks even if you go magic resist. Btw you can't go magic resist because otherwise Fiora will shiit on you even more and Kai'sa still have AD dmg since she is hybrid.

So they have 3 champs that you can't tank correctly. Fiora because she has %HP true dmg, Orianna because she is a mage DPS and Kai'sa because she has hybrid dmg.

boricCentaur11 votes

Ok you sound like you never once played a fucking tank. Like it also sounds like you started playing in season 8 going from how you talk about pen. Like lethality was in the game before it was call armor pen but now its just weaker armor pen. Like its only good vs base armor anything over stops it. I faced a rengar and he did nothing to be since he was going lethality.

Like and play tanks since they tank just fine.

half this post is just bs from someone that clearly don't understand how tank work.

You only got one shot if your a champion like a adc or your losing hard other then that it is not happening.

I like played vs vayne and as a shen with 3000 hp it she could not kill me fast like she never killed me in a team fight since she damage was to low since I was building tank.

StormBladeMaster1 votes

You sound like a psycho who can't stay polite. Did i insulted you ? No i don't think.

You survived a Rengar and a Vayne with Ornn and Shen, so it's makes tanks viable, wow...

Btw you don't tell if they was feed or no, if they was focusing you or no (because the vayne could have focused another target than you), you didn't tell if you was feed or no (yeah if you are 10/0 with Shen, ofc you will tank but only because you will have 2-3 more items than her).

Also Shen with his W might be the only tank who can resist to Vayne so your example is bad. You just had a good game in top lane with Shen, you team carried so the other team was useless and dealed no dmg. It's don't prove that tanks are viable.

Same with Ornn, you might have played vs a bad Rengar or you had a couple of ganks, you have won the lane, you might have been feed so you might have afford more items than the other team, it's doesn't prove that tanks are tanky.

boricCentaur11 votes

Love that the worst I said was that you don't play and you are new then you call me a psycho lol like wtf.

I'm not going to be polite to someone just ignoring facts just to make a bs statement.

Like again I list my games since unlike you I PLAY TANKS. ALSO NO I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT BEING FED OR NOT. Like in my shen game no the w wasn't the reason I was living the items were.

Also I had 0 ganks as ornn and in fact I got ganked at level 7 and then one a 1v2 rengar and hac both used everything but hec ult on me and I lived and killed both.

I have never been anywhere close to one shot as a tank and unlike you I play them that's why I listed those game and I can list more. In fact the fastest I have died this year was because of a cho.

Do you understand how a argument works? Like I give my point then I back it up in this case I used examples of recent games of tanks that I have played and both of them were vs things you said were problems meaning they're in fact relevant. Then you try to dismiss them even those most of the reasons I talked about aren't champion specific. If I was shen I would of beat rengar, if I was poppy I would destroyed rengar. Not because of anything champion specific but because the match favorites basically every tank since lethality sucks vs anyone building armor. Same with vayne I didn't list shen w since I didn't count that since there was more then enough times where she attacked me and It was not up.

Tanks are fine play them.

Zero Shingetsu3 votes

I don't know why this is getting downvoted. Well, I do know why. People love to stomp. They love their Yasuo power fantasies. But regardless of their mindset, the words in this post are pretty generally truth, and you'll have at least one upvote this day.

StormBladeMaster1 votes

Thx you, i'm just sharing my toughts after all...I made about 10 games in a row and i opened the recap everytime i died : The dmg was simply too high. And there were true dmg everytime and it's was from 15% to 40% of my HP bar which is very high.

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