WHY THE HELL DOES RIOT KEEP BUFFING ADCs?

BestPudgeNA·Oct 23, 2018·4 votes·1,413 views

Hello Riot ever plan on balancing this role? Role been OP for 2+ years, only thing being played bot 99% of the time again. We legit waited from the start of S8 till mid season then after you nerfed them to acceptable levels you went back on your promise too the rest League players because a handful of ADC streamers and Pros cried about not being able to pick an ADC 100%. It's almost preseason time for this role to actually become Bot lane carry and not OP Markman only.

Why does 8.21 have nothing for and a handful of other blatantly overpowered champs?

ALSO WHERE THE FUCK IS MY FIX FOR I'm so sick of losing 100+g every game and being forced into buying the full jungle item first because my Silver lanes can last hit minions.

13 Comments

AXayahAccountOct 23, 20184 votes

Just going to point this out, they're not going to nerf Xayah. It isn't because she is/isn't OP it is simply because she is balanced. She has no blatantly overpowered aspect to her, she just sort of does everything fine. Which could be seen as OP but it is simply because she gets MS while attacking, feathers to help zone people away from her, cleave dmg so she can always attack the back line while hitting the frontline, and an "escape" which is more to dodge a death blow/cc.

What aspect to they nerf of her to make her not bad? If they remove her MS then she is bad because she can't kite. If they remove her feathers or decrease her feather dmg or something then her gimmick is bad. If you nerf her ultimate then you have to buff her range, which makes an equal trade off, unless you nerf just the ultimate in a different way, then again it may make her bad.

Potentially you could remove the extra 20% dmg off her W but then it is literally just an ability that says "Gain 50% and 3 feathers for 4 seconds" which is not a very exciting ability. She's not a problem champion, she's a problem solver. She, in my eyes, is the pinnacle of how an ADC should be made. Sure, you can auto attack for dmg, but you wont be nearly as effective. Positional awareness, decision making, and mechanics are all used extremely well on Xayah. That's why I believe she is so popular for pro play, she rewards every aspect of a good adc player very well.

vgamedudeOct 23, 20183 votes

Its all they care about. Bot lane is the most popular role. 11 of the top 15 most picked champions are bot laners. ADC marksmen are and remain the only required class archetype in any good team comp, they have been for years.

Its nothing but favoritism and bias at this point. The moment ADC marksmen even approached the level of being similar to every other class they get buffed back up to have their carry monopoly, and the thing is; they were still far and away above the other picks bot, yet they still got buffed and so soon we came back to the stale enforced meta riot loves.

You will never see this game have any meaningful variance or diversity in picks, carries, lane assignment etc. I dared to get my hopes up when they said they'd introduce diversity and they killed it like a month later.

ADC players are a super and loud majority, it won't ever happen. Just look over at reddit and the amount of threads talking about how ADC is useless etc. constantly meanwhile ignoring the fact that everyone knows: they're picked in EVERY GAME! And are so strong they get a slave assigned just to them!

At this point just go play dota.

And here comes ADC main downvote by the way. Just like on reddit. Facts not welcome here.

AquinasOct 24, 20182 votes

Actually only 8 of the top 15 champs are bot laners if you're wanting to count Yasuo and Supports into that (Would only be 4 if not). The reason Riot buffed ADCs back into bot dominance is because the majority of them can't stand on their own anywhere else. They are scaling champs that's why they are assigned a support, in order to scale well. Every role has a purpose, the role of ADC just happens to be to scale into hypercarry mode.

Top: Map Pressure and Splitpushing Jungle: Relieving Pressure and Creating Leads Mid: Roaming ADC: Hypercarrying Support: Engaging/Protecting ADC

vgamedudeOct 24, 20183 votes

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Actually only 8 of the top 15 champs are bot laners if you're wanting to count Yasuo and Supports into that (Would only be 4 if not). The reason Riot buffed ADCs back into bot dominance is because the majority of them can't stand on their own anywhere else. They are scaling champs that's why they are assigned a support, in order to scale well. Every role has a purpose, the role of ADC just happens to be to scale into hypercarry mode.

Top: Map Pressure and Splitpushing Jungle: Relieving Pressure and Creating Leads Mid: Roaming ADC: Hypercarrying Support: Engaging/Protecting ADC

can't stand on their own anywhere else

Champs like ez, corkie, vayne to a lesser extent, varus etc. Have shown it wouldn't take much for them to go elsewhere.

8 of the top 15

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https://m.imgur.com/a/lQtnVf5

the purpose is to scale into hyper carry mode

While also having some who are early game or lane bullies and having them apparently be the only champs allowed there?

By your logic (ADCs can't make it elsewhere so they're somehow weak or fine ) then no other champion can carry or be as strong as ADC since none others can be played bot, which is what I'm saying.

Also by your logic this game is the most stale boring thing ever, to be restricted into such narrow categories like having to play a roamer mid.

AquinasOct 24, 20182 votes

Vayne and Corki have way of escape or outplay. Not sure where your seeing Ez or Varus go. They go there because they are too weak early to survive on their own whether that be offensive or defensively depends on the champ. The job of an ADC is to hypercarry. That doesn't mean other champs can't carry, ADCs are just inclined to be stronger in the super late game because of itemization. It's a double edged sword, they are relatively weak compared to everyone early and relatively stronger compared to everyone late. Ever seen a Twitch at like 40 minutes? Yea he one shots. That's where Assassins come in, which is then where Tanks come in blah blah blah.

vgamedudeOct 24, 20181 votes

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Vayne and Corki have way of escape or outplay. Not sure where your seeing Ez or Varus go. They go there because they are too weak early to survive on their own whether that be offensive or defensively depends on the champ. The job of an ADC is to hypercarry. That doesn't mean other champs can't carry, ADCs are just inclined to be stronger in the super late game because of itemization. It's a double edged sword, they are relatively weak compared to everyone early and relatively stronger compared to everyone late. Ever seen a Twitch at like 40 minutes? Yea he one shots. That's where Assassins come in, which is then where Tanks come in blah blah blah.

It wasn't even long ago when ez was seeing jungle play, varus has been played mid before, hell even twitch saw jungle. Lots of ADC have mobility moves of some kind these days. Its not such a stretch for them to solo lane at all, riot just needs to put in a little effort to make the game more diverse.

the job of an ADC is to hyper carry

Every single game? Some diversity. So early game centric ADCs like Lucian should also be able to hyper carry? A early game lane bully scaling hypercarry? That sounds right to you?

There's a reason you don't see many assassins in pro play either, so assassins don't come in much. I guess scaling mages like ryze should just get screwed then as well right?

If anyone else could carry like ADCs it would be possible for them to be played bot, but they get overshadowed by marksmen way too much,

40 minutes

ADCs get ludicrously strong well before that, WELL before that. Many games don't even last that long now and they're still the only carry game in town.

AquinasOct 24, 20181 votes

The only ADCs that can reliably go into a solo lane are those with a dash (Vayne, Corki, Lucian, Ezreal). Ezreal jungle was prevalent because of his ability to apply red buff from 1050 range away. Even Twitch jungle is only prevalent because of Lv.2 gank with red buff (has 48% wr and .5% playrate). Most ADCs outscale other laners considerably due to items, that's just how it is. When it comes to pro play you have to take into consideration that is it PRO PLAY. Assassins excel at being able to perform well without relying on their team, while one of the biggest things of pro play is team play. Mages are typically more reliable and less volatile + ususally has some form of CC. I said 40 minutes to ensure that you thought of a Twitch that is full build, not assuming they fed or got fed. Also if you use any site other than op.gg you're just being silly.

vgamedudeOct 24, 20181 votes

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The only ADCs that can reliably go into a solo lane are those with a dash (Vayne, Corki, Lucian, Ezreal). Ezreal jungle was prevalent because of his ability to apply red buff from 1050 range away. Even Twitch jungle is only prevalent because of Lv.2 gank with red buff (has 48% wr and .5% playrate). Most ADCs outscale other laners considerably due to items, that's just how it is. When it comes to pro play you have to take into consideration that is it PRO PLAY. Assassins excel at being able to perform well without relying on their team, while one of the biggest things of pro play is team play. Mages are typically more reliable and less volatile + ususally has some form of CC. I said 40 minutes to ensure that you thought of a Twitch that is full build, not assuming they fed or got fed. Also if you use any site other than op.gg you're just being silly.

ADCs have been taken into other lanes FAR more than anyone else has taken bot lane carry. I don't want to hear it. If they made that role more varied we might see more things like Lucian laning, or kai sa, ezreal etc. We can't know until they actually add some level of variety which it seems they never will thanks to ADC players.

muh op gg

Its not the only site around, even on op gg my point still stands.

Baby GhoulOct 24, 20182 votes

{quoted} And here comes ADC main downvote by the way. Just like on reddit. Facts not welcome here.

Or people don't agree with you because you make unreasonable assumptions and jump to conclusions like this.

vgamedudeOct 24, 20182 votes

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Or people don't agree with you because you make unreasonable assumptions and jump to conclusions like this.

Unreasonable assumptions? Name one thing I said that's incorrect.

ADCs have been the only carry role played bot with any meaningful capacity for years, the patch riot said they wanted more diversity, there began to be different pick bot, then a patch later they buffed marksmen and items and it was all gone again, to now where the highest pick rate non marksmen bot laner is heiner at under 1 percent according to champ gg.

None of that is an "assumption", nothing I said was jumping to any conclusion. There has been literal years of this to climb a conclusion no jumping required.

zolikingOct 24, 20182 votes

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Why does 8.21 have nothing for and a handful of other blatantly overpowered champs?

Because the balance team had other priorities?

ALSO WHERE THE FUCK IS MY FIX FOR I'm so sick of losing 100+g every game and being forced into buying the full jungle item first because my Silver lanes can last hit minions.

Wait, Riot gave you a personal promise to balance a specific item a specific way? Wow, man, you got some pull.

BestPudgeNAOct 24, 20182 votes

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Because the balance team had other priorities?

Wait, Riot gave you a personal promise to balance a specific item a specific way? Wow, man, you got some pull.

Other priorities "-5ms" Fuck off

They said the jungle item nerf was supposed to be a temp fix and that we would get a real change for it with the preseason update. Yet nothing about it in the preseason changes on PBE

zolikingOct 24, 20182 votes

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Other priorities "-5ms" Fuck off

They said the jungle item nerf was supposed to be a temp fix and that we would get a real change for it with the preseason update. Yet nothing about it in the preseason changes on PBE

Yeah, but that they said that to you personally is what's impressive.