if you're 0/3 in 5 minutes in a ranked game

Bard to Believe·May 29, 2017·9 votes·3,096 views

don't be surprised when people get toxic.

this game is literally decided in the first 10 minutes 90% of the time. and if you've got 3 deaths in 5 minutes, its pretty much assured that you were the deciding factor for everyone else getting shit on

so instead of crying about how mean people are, instead work on not dying 3 times before 5 minutes even hits.

too many idiots think theyre a god tier challengjour who's so skilled they can outplay a guy with a 1k+ gold advantage.

edit; downvote me all you want, but ranked is supposed to be taken more seriously, and when some chud sits there and feeds a death a minute from when minions spawn, it's going to piss people off.

you know whats actually toxic? people who don't listen to their team and repeatedly feed over and over again.

know what shouldn't be considered toxic? getting pissed that there's one fucking guy in 2 out of 3 games ruining it for everyone else because he doesn't wanna listen, play safe, group for objectives/teamfights, and win in general.

49 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 29, 20179 votes

NO RIGHT TO BE TOXIC AT ALL

PEOPLE HAVE BAD GAMES , GET THE FUK OVER IT

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20173 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pIOwGEfw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-05-29T00:44:57.050+0000)

NO RIGHT TO BE TOXIC AT ALL

PEOPLE HAVE BAD GAMES , GET THE FUK OVER IT

haha yeah, and when every game someone is having a bad game that costs you the game, it becomes hard to get over.

i forgot this is league, the center of PC culture in video games. nevermind that for 20 years of online gaming there has always been flaming. league's gonna try to "fix" this by censorship. really what riot's doing when they ban these "toxic" players, is just admitting that everyone should ignore the mute button, and cry to daddy to fix their problems for them.

not to mention riot knows that the toxic players they punish are toxic because they are emotionally invested into the game, and therefore will never quit. so banning them earns them more money in new accounts made .

remember when the tribunal looked at the context of toxicity in order to determine whether it was warranted or not?

i do.

now riot just scans for buzzwords with ZERO of the context in order to do their banning.

when the old tribunal was in effect there was toxicity, but substantially less still than there is now.

wanna know why? because toxicity evolved from just being an insufferable asshole to a guy who says things that people don't wanna hear or face.

telling a guy he should have more than 50 farm at 20 minutes is considered toxic now.

telling a guy to stop feeding when he's 5/10/0 is now considered toxic.

THERES THIS EXCELLENT FEATURE IN THE GAME CALLED MUTE. STOP RELYING ON DADDY RIOT TO BAN EVERYONE FOR YOU, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T WORK. THEY JUST MAKE NEW ACCOUNTS.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 29, 20173 votes

no matter how you justify it being toxic is wrong

its a video game... meant for fun and entertainment.

people need to pull their heads out of their asses to think that rank play ( outside or professional play ) is "competitive " how can it be? its not all played on an even playing field. we all dont use the same computers, monitors, internet connections and so on...

and by the way maybe give some credit to the enemy for being better or playing better in that game. this game is so easy to lose with just a few mistakes/misplays

and considering that you are in bronze with a 33% win rate this one game isnt gonna keep you from being diamond

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pIOwGEfw,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T00:57:50.703+0000)

no matter how you justify it being toxic is wrong

its a video game... meant for fun and entertainment.

people need to pull their heads out of their asses to think that rank play ( outside or professional play ) is "competitive " how can it be? its not all played on an even playing field. we all dont use the same computers, monitors, internet connections and so on...

and by the way maybe give some credit to the enemy for being better or playing better in that game. this game is so easy to lose with just a few mistakes/misplays

and considering that you are in bronze with a 33% win rate this one game isnt gonna keep you from being diamond

yeah and look at the timelines for each and everyone one of those games. you'll see they ALL have the same thing in common. one person, feeding multiple deaths before the 10 minute mark.

you can look at my match history and make vague assumptions, or you can look at the timelines for each of those matches and see some lane one way or another hard fucking fed before we even had a chance to make it competitive.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 29, 20173 votes

dude u are jsut as bad as the people u are flaming... other wise u wouldnt have a 33 % win rate in bronze

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pIOwGEfw,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T01:01:52.180+0000)

dude u are jsut as bad as the people u are flaming... other wise u wouldnt have a 33 % win rate in bronze

or i just can't carry people who feed 10+ kills before the 10 minute mark. bronze is 100% worse than it was in previous seasons because of the changes they made to the game THIS season.

look at timelines for matches pls instead of looking at just w/l you fucking mongoloid.

there for sure are games where i do bad and lose on my own. but most of the time its just that i can't keep up with everyone on the enemy team getting fed.

but i forgot, you can carry any and every single game if you're good enough.

i've been silver 3-1 for the 5 years ive been playing this game. did everyone suddenly get substantially better than me, or did riot make a game built to favor uncompetitive stomps?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 29, 20173 votes

you cant carry at all with a 33% win rate

stop blaming others improve yourself and then maybe then you will realize how to win

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pIOwGEfw,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T01:07:13.455+0000)

you cant carry at all with a 33% win rate

stop blaming others improve yourself and then maybe then you will realize how to win ok keep sticking to the w/l ratio to justify everything when really its a problem with game design and bronze is the division suffering the most from it.

GAMES ARE NOW DECIDED BY WHO GETS FED FIRST. AND I CANT STOP PEOPLE FROM GETTING FED ALL OVER THE MAP FROM ONE LANE.

YES THERE ARE GAMES WHEN I DO BAD, AND I WOULD SAY THAT WOULD PUT ME AT 50% AS I HAVE BEEN FOR THE LAST 5 SEASONS. BUT THIS SEASON IS DIFFERENT BECAUSE GAMES END IN 15 MINUTES WITH ZERO CHANCE OF COMEBACKS MUCH MORE OFTEN.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 29, 20174 votes

i have looked at ur history , cs , kda, builds etc and you are bad

you have zero sense on how to farm or build

you are responsible for your win rate being 33% in bronze

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pIOwGEfw,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T01:14:48.840+0000)

i have looked at ur history , cs , kda, builds etc and you are bad

you have zero sense on how to farm or build

you are responsible for your win rate being 33% in bronze

Haha but you haven't looked at the ONE thing to said to look at whjich is the TIMELINES.

i cant fucking cs when bot loses tower at 8 minutes and their laners are in my lane along with mid pushing hard and forcing me off tower. THUS. MY BUILDS ARE WORSE BECAUSE I HAVE TO COMPENSATE FOR HAVING LESS GOLD.

PLEASE. JUST LOOK AT THE TIMELINES FOR THESE GAMES INSTEAD OF ARBITRARY SHIT THATS AFFECTED BY WHO FED FIRST.

80 fucking percent of the time i have 60-70 cs by ten minutes, but guess what? i can't continue to farm because some other fucking lane is getting their balls kicked in and i have to roam and give up farm to keep 3 turrets and an inhib from being taken.

these timelines exist for a fucking reason. so you can see WHAT happens in the game that caused the loss.

cs and build is completely variable based on OUTSIDE FACTORS IN THE GAME.

god dude go fuck yourself you are seriously just one of those fucking assholes that looks at the superficial shit instead of looking at the REAL reasons why a game gets lost.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 29, 20172 votes

timelines dont matter when you are 1-8-4 on diana in a solo lane

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pIOwGEfw,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T01:19:58.531+0000)

timelines dont matter when you are 1-8-4 on diana in a solo lane

yeah and guess what? 6 of those fucking deaths happened in GARBAGE time when there were already multiple feds roaming the fucking map.

TIMELINES DO MATTER, because if you looked at it, you'd see all those deaths came AFTER our team was already down by 5k+ gold.

im not even gonna fucking bother arguing with you anymore. you obviously don't give a shit about anything but personal stats, rather than global gold defecits that make A MASSIVE impact on the game.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 29, 20172 votes

you are the one making the post crying about people being bad... im just showing you are just as bad ...

so accept it... learn from it and get better and you have no right or reason to be toxic towards anyone in game

AlienPrimateMay 29, 20172 votes

If 1 person feeding breaks a game then how did you win with a score of 2/8/2 (guessing assists) at 20 minutes. You went 4/14/5. Where is you post thanking your teammates for carrying your worthless feeding carcass.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 29, 20172 votes

so what you are saying is i am not wrong ? [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

AlienPrimateMay 29, 20172 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Everyone has bad games. It is up to each person to learn from the bad games and improve. Bard to Believe is too god tier to improve any further so he just flames the rest of us mere mortals into trying to carry him.

AlienPrimateMay 29, 20171 votes

Test. Is there a point that more boxes discontinue and it just stacks everything in the same discussion box?

edit: it appears so.

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20171 votes

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If 1 person feeding breaks a game then how did you win with a score of 2/8/2 (guessing assists) at 20 minutes. You went 4/14/5. Where is you post thanking your teammates for carrying your worthless feeding carcass.

2 games where i won with a bad score.

the game with lee we won because literally draven got stupid fed in 2 seconds flat.

iill list the 10 most recent games in my match history for u if u want.

game 1: Diana was 1/2 by 12 minutes, then 3/13 bot loses tower, and their laners roam to my lane which was the only 1st tier tower standing.

game 2: Gragas 2/3/1 by end. meanwhile 1/4 nid(lol nid jg) jungler. 4/7 zed. 0/5 sona

game 3: 4/14/5 LeeSin . i picked lee top because i was tilted, and intent on throwing the game because of previous game tilting me so hard. draven just managed to get stupid fed at the same time and wipe everyone out.

game 4: Bard started out 5/0 against ekko. but 1/11 Twitch 2/8 Morgana and 3/9 Warwick kept me and fed jayce from doing anything to win. this was with multiple tele ganks bot, and ganks from jayce at bot too.

game 5: win, everyone on my team managed to get fed.

game 6: Diana 2/3/2. meanwhile 1/9/0 annie top, 3/13/5 bard cait bot, and 1/4 udyr jg(he couldnt keep up with bot and top's feeding either.

game 7: win, everyone did well and nobody fed.

game 8: Bard supp. started out well, but illaoi mid went 2/15, and teemo top went 2/9. even 7/2 elise jg couldnt help this game. the cait i got fed at start got stomped by ungodly fed top and mid because we couldnt stop them.

game 9 and 10 were both wins due to one person getting ungodly fed on our teams.

literally all my fault because im bad right? i had 2 games where i myself legitimately did bad in that WHOLE group. the rest of them were games where i started out great, but couldnt keep up with the rate of which my bronze teammates were feeding.

MysterQMay 29, 20171 votes

Not picking on you, sonce yes it is a teamgame. And yes sometimes the scores dont tell eveyhing.

But most of your "ok" games, you have ,ore deaths than kills. Sure the other lanes are losing, but unless it was due to a roam, that early why are you dying. You shouldnt be dying just to get an assist and your jg a kill.

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20171 votes

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Not picking on you, sonce yes it is a teamgame. And yes sometimes the scores dont tell eveyhing.

But most of your "ok" games, you have ,ore deaths than kills. Sure the other lanes are losing, but unless it was due to a roam, that early why are you dying. You shouldnt be dying just to get an assist and your jg a kill.

most of the time, those games i ended up with 2-3 people sitting in my lane trying to take the only first/second tier towers left standing.

im very cautious when i know im behind. i try to hide behind towers, but with current tower strength, its really not possible to past a certain point.

DrCyanideMay 29, 20172 votes

80 fucking percent of the time i have 60-70 cs by ten minutes

Where are you getting that stat?

Here's your Average CS numbers

| Lane | CS@5 | | CS@10 | | CS@15 | | CS@20 | |:---|:---:|:---:|:---:|---:| |Top|20.2| |54.2| |84.6| |107.8| |Jungle| 4| | 6.5| | 13.2||25.2| |Middle| 20| | 47|| 84| |98| |Support| 0.8| | 3|| 4.9|| 9.9| |Bottom | 17| | 36|| 47|| 51|

For comparison, here's your Maximum CS numbers

| Lane | CS@5 || CS@10 || CS@15 || CS@20 | |:---|:---:|:---:|:---:|---:| |Top| 27 || 69 || 111 || 150 | |Jungle| 21 || 34 || 54 || 77 | |Middle| 20 || 47 || 84 || 98 | |Support| 4 || 9 || 9| | 16 | |Bottom | 17 | | 36 || 47 || 51 |

Even if you limit it down to games you Won in Top lane, you still average 51.2 CS at 10 minutes...

kb0rnzDec 5, 20171 votes

{quoted}

Where are you getting that stat?

Here's your Average CS numbers

| Lane | CS@5 | | CS@10 | | CS@15 | | CS@20 | |:---|:---:|:---:|:---:|---:| |Top|20.2| |54.2| |84.6| |107.8| |Jungle| 4| | 6.5| | 13.2||25.2| |Middle| 20| | 47|| 84| |98| |Support| 0.8| | 3|| 4.9|| 9.9| |Bottom | 17| | 36|| 47|| 51|

For comparison, here's your Maximum CS numbers

| Lane | CS@5 || CS@10 || CS@15 || CS@20 | |:---|:---:|:---:|:---:|---:| |Top| 27 || 69 || 111 || 150 | |Jungle| 21 || 34 || 54 || 77 | |Middle| 20 || 47 || 84 || 98 | |Support| 4 || 9 || 9| | 16 | |Bottom | 17 | | 36 || 47 || 51 |

Even if you limit it down to games you Won in Top lane, you still average 51.2 CS at 10 minutes...

if you have 50 cs at 10 min you are really bad

SnakDatSmilesBakMay 29, 20172 votes

I carried out of bronze pretty easily once I realized it was my own play holding me back.

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20171 votes

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I carried out of bronze pretty easily once I realized it was my own play holding me back.

ill continue on my match history just for u.

game 11 Gragas 1/2/3. this game was ruined by a rek'sai jungle who was int feeding from the start, hence 0/15/2 score by 20 minutes.

game 12: Aatrox 5/10/2 admittedly did poorly in this game. did well in keeping nasus from farming, but lee sin was sitting top by 8 minutes because bot and mid were getting fed on their own. i was getting turret dived for the rest of the game.

game 13 Shyvana 3/3/6 admittedly didn't have much impact on the game aside from a few successful early ganks that helped my laners start snowballing.

game 14: 0/6/10 Rakan : did well in laning phase, but team wouldn't group at any point of the game, so we got divided and conquered. nobody fed, just a lack of a communication really.

game 15: Bard 5/4/1. rest of the team went 4/25/13(most of their assists came from my kills.

game 16: idk i just picked darius mid into kass, which admittedly was a very shortsighted counter and a bad idea. i just wanted to piss the kass off. didn't matter though, as he ended up getting fed from roaming on unwarded lanes with Zac who also got stupid fed.

game 17: 13/11/7 Diana . just a tough game all around. we kept trading evenly in teamfights until enemy team outscaled us and won.

game 18: lack of teamwork and grouping caused this game to be lost. on my part and other people's parts.

game 19:3/7/2 Bard ashe rushed runaan's first build, didn't do any damage 0/3/5. 0/9 nasus top, 2/7 yas mid. guess where their laners roamed to all game? bot.

game 20: win. i did alright, but ezreal and tf got stupid fed early and carried the game. i went 3/1/8 as darius top

that's 20 of my 33 games in ranked. tell me it's because i'm bad and NOT because of ridiculous feeds so fast i didnt think they were possible.

SnakDatSmilesBakMay 29, 20171 votes

You can't control your opponents scores but try this, for every single game you play keep your deaths under 5. This will help you learn your limits and learn how to use your head while you play. Once you learn to think while playing it becomes a simple matter of learning the right things to think!

SnakDatSmilesBakMay 29, 20171 votes

Also I've played on a smurf account in bronze. I won easily. It's not the players there that are holding you back; in all honesty it is you. I don't mean any disrespect but you truly only have yourself to thank for your rank.

HallbusterMay 29, 20172 votes

I can give Bard to Believe a few pointers. Overall, I think most, maybe not all of your games could be won.

1.) Your CS is mediocre, you generally want 150 CS in 20 minutes to stay ahead of your lane opponent.

2.) You generally don't want to main than 3 champions and should only main one role you like/you're proficient with.

3.) You die way too often, for every 3 kills you add up 5 more deaths.

Of course, there are more things to improve on but those are just some general tips.

Before I go on, yes, I'm also bronze 3 even though I stopped playing ranked this season, but more than often play with other silvers in normals regarding my MMR.

Also, trying to put everything on your teammates isn't going to help you improve. Yes, sometimes it really is your teammate's fault, I've seen ADC's split push, junglers farm enemy jungles, and yada yada but in the long run it shouldn't reflect your performance.

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20171 votes

{quoted}

I can give Bard to Believe a few pointers. Overall, I think most, maybe not all of your games could be won.

1.) Your CS is mediocre, you generally want 150 CS in 20 minutes to stay ahead of your lane opponent.

2.) You generally don't want to main than 3 champions and should only main one role you like/you're proficient with.

3.) You die way too often, for every 3 kills you add up 5 more deaths.

Of course, there are more things to improve on but those are just some general tips.

Before I go on, yes I'm also bronze 3 even though I stopped playing ranked this season but I more than often play with other silvers in normals regarding my MMR.

1: cs is mediocre most of the time because i don't have the luxury to sit in lane and farm for 20 minutes. someone elsewhere is almost always losing lane hard so i try to go help them in ganks. thus putting me even further behind.

2: yes that's true, i agree with this.

3: hard not to die when people are getting stupidly fed in less than 10 minutes, then 2 shot you in a gank because they have 2 whole items up on you.

HallbusterMay 29, 20171 votes

It's not easy finding the balance between farming and roaming I admit. But most of the time, I won't say all, it's safer to farm your lane unless you can guarantee you'll get a kill or 2 off bottom/top lane. CS is underrated in low elo's where most players turn all their attention to kills. With rough estimation, 17 CS roughly equates to a kill which is ALOT.
Yeah, I don't need to go on any further :/
Sometimes you have to know when to go in and when to stay out. If you know your team is dying and go in when it's 1 vs 3, there's no way you're coming back out. This is one of the mistakes I'm doing my best to stop making because it only puts me and my team further behind.

MysterQMay 29, 20171 votes

Holy hell.

Recent game, we won all 3 lane outers. Up in kills and pressure. Pushing mid with 5v3 and get 2 kills. So easy.

Olaf jungle (who gave up FB at 1min blitzcrank) and was just farming. TRIPLE KILL. He was 2-3 levels higher than everyone in the game. He was jungle but had like 150 farm, way more than any laner. It was ridiculously nasty.

The whole Flex team was plat/dia. But that was a first hamd lesson in the powerfarm. It was so disgusting how bad they raped us after that one teamfiht loss. Like they just let us push lanes so they could farm or somehing.

SnakDatSmilesBakMay 29, 20171 votes

In bronze you have to work on your game knowledge. Once you know that pick an early game champ and get fed. Since you are fed your team will listen to you. Use your game knowledge to direct your team to a win. This is the fasttrack out of bronze. There are other ways but this is probably the easiest for a player like you.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 29, 20173 votes

this is all i have been tryng to get through this persons head

but he wants to point the finger , flame and make a post saying its ok to be toxic and wonder why he is 11-22 in bronze

TheQuixoticKidDec 4, 20171 votes

This tread is old but i have to chime in bitch your dumb.

CaptainJamesFitzSep 18, 20181 votes

tell me so many pro players arent toxic?

PennsMay 29, 20171 votes

Then they should get over it as well and surrender a 5 - 20 game tho xd

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20171 votes

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Then they should get over it as well and surrender a 5 - 20 game tho xd

those same guys that hard feed and ruin games, then decide to spite refuse a surrender because their team got pissed at them for ruining the game, thus making everyone even MORE toxic.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 29, 20173 votes

well i will be the 1st to admit when a game is lost and try to ff cuz to me just let it go and move to a new game. but only here in NA people have this mentality that you can always come back and win and thats not the case.

in Korea they will open mid, afk in base, etc if a game is over and people wont ff cuz its not worth to them to play for 35 mins more when they can accept the lost move on to another game they have a chance of winning

Winters DawnMay 29, 20172 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pIOwGEfw,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2017-05-29T00:44:57.050+0000)

NO RIGHT TO BE TOXIC AT ALL

PEOPLE HAVE BAD GAMES , GET THE FUK OVER IT

I think 0-3 in yhe first five munutes is more than 'Having a bad game' then instead of playing safe they continue to get poked or over extend then blam the jungle. No there is a line past just having a bad game its being brain dead stupid.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 29, 20172 votes

none of that warrants or justifies being toxic

kb0rnzDec 5, 20171 votes

ranked is not for fun its competitive play .....

if u were playing football or any other kind of game and u wouldnt listen to your team ud get kick out of the league if u really fuck thing up ur probably gonna get a beating after the game so be happy lol protect you [slayer-jinx-catface]

HallbusterMay 29, 20173 votes

I know where he's coming from. It's one thing to lose to a better opponent, it's another to lose because the enemy team is so fed that carrying has been made impossible. This is even more frustrating when you realize your fed opponents really aren't better than yourself.

LibelldraMay 29, 20172 votes

It's not like you have bad games too? Youre most likely int feeding as i see in your match history

MysterQMay 29, 20171 votes

Maybe, they just wanted to drop their bounty so low it isn't worth the enemy to kill them anymore.

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20171 votes

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Maybe, they just wanted to drop their bounty so low it isn't worth the enemy to kill them anymore.

and maybe once their laner decides he's no longer worth the gold, he'll do the smart thing and start roaming and snowballing other lanes while that useless putz that went 0/3 decides to afk farm and still repeatedly die

HallbusterMay 29, 20171 votes

It depends really.

ZT XperimentorMay 29, 20171 votes

If you get toxic, expect to loose; that alone should never need explaining.

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=ZT Xperimentor,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pIOwGEfw,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2017-05-29T00:56:50.219+0000)

If you get toxic, expect to loose; that alone should never need explaining.

i expect to lose when mid or bot average a death each a minute after minions arrive at lane.

no, toxicity didn't make me lose the game.

the fucking bot lane that went 0/8 in less than 10 minutes made me lose the game.

or the mid who went 0/3 in 5 minutes then didn't ping his mias/follow his roams because he finally got a break at mid and doesn't wanna deal with anyone in the game anymore.

Bard to BelieveMay 29, 20171 votes

i have climbed out of bronze 5 times since season 3.

the way this game is now, it is REMARKABLY harder than it was previously to single handedly pull yourself out of bronze.

average game length is 25 minutes for christs sakes.