i really really hope riot gets the message the playerbase has been saying for years, and severely cuts cost of ALL runes.
i really hate that if i wanna have my preferred cdr glyphs in both scaling and flat, i have to spend 14.4k ip for 9 of each.
sure basic runes work across the board for most champions. but just because they work doesn't mean they're preferred. im tired of spending tens of thousands of ip on runes.
PaladinNO6 votes*sigh* Another one of these...
Okay, reduced price of runes all round; refund for those already having spent the insane amounts required to get 20 filled pages (150K+).
KoggyStyle2 votesi prolly melted 150k XD
PaladinNO2 votesJust a wild guess for me: 153799 IP spent on runes (Tier 3 only, obviously). But who's counting. xD
KoggyStyle2 voteswhos counting? pepperidge farms is!
Sukishoo2 votesYeah, if they did that they might as well gives us all our IP back... I own every Tier 3 rune in the game, so I'd like it back if that were the case XD
LunarStrike5 votesTrying to complete my FIRST runes page, it's already costing me over 15k+ IP. Had to skip buying specific champions.
and thats only my first rune page lol
TheSingularity4 votesJust for lols I spent 14K IP on a rune page of full mana regen. Luckliy I got to experience 2 weeks of rune sales and IP boosts when the OCE server went live so I own soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many
Spoofghoul2 votesi have a page just like that :P i also got one for energy sustain just for the lulz
i have almost all the runes now though except for a few that are particularly useless like flat hp glyphs which give like 20hp or something for all 9 like whats the point of that lel
PaladinNO1 votes9x Scaling Energy Regeneration Seals. 7380 IP well spent, right there (I actually use them in ARAM). xD
And don't forget the percent health Quintessences. At 3000 HP, you gain additional 135 HP (3x +1,5% HP). Just imagine how broken Dr. Mundo would be with that!!
[slayer-jinx-catface]
Personally, I just want access to additional 20 runepages. As an avid ARAM player, I find only 20 to be insufficient. Much better to increase the limit to 40.
~50% #nokappa
TheSingularity1 votesHell give me one per champ. I hate it when the only difference that makes an AD/armour/glyph/atk speed page better for a different set of champs is different glyphs.
Or having multiple ms pages for ivern and hec. 1 TYPE OF RUNES CHANGE! T
Titanium701 votesI'm acrtually using said %HP-Quints on Cho. =P Quite usefull tbh.
TheSingularity1 votesMy fave is seeing someone pick riven and smashing on 30 armour in my runes to watch them tickle me to death.
Their brain be like ??????????????????????????????????????????????????
Velzard of Koz3 votesWith Hextech Crafting being a thing, they may make it free account progression. As in by playing games you collect Runic Shards which you can craft for free into specific Rune until you have them all. I also think the rework will vastly change the way they work, how many are there, what they specialize for etc.
FourVsFive3 votesMy question is why do runes barley get touched for balance? 60% of them are never used for good reason.
PaladinNO1 votes60% of them are never used for good reason.
What are you saying? I've had great success with my 3x Greater Quintessence of Revival!
...Oh, wait, I'm lying. Yep - definitely lying on that one. :/
KoggyStyle2 votesthe experince quints lmfao! i literally got old ww to lvl 6 faster with As runes lololol [zombie-brand-facepalm]
doiminat0r36002 votesI hate that I've been playing for 3 years and I only have 3 full sets of 9 T3 Rune pages (2 glyphs, one mark).
Sure you can buy T2 runes but they aren't as effective or as large of a choice variety. You have several things missing such as hybrid penetration, MR and Armor Hybrid, and % HP.
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doiminat0r36003 votesI've played for 3 years about 1 game a day. Sorry I can't be like you and play nothing but League for 3 years multiple games a day. I don't care if the runes aren't worth it or if they're not "good" because the point still stands. You can't buy them in T2. MR and Armor Hybrid was just an example. I didn't know.
By the way, how many champions do you own? Seems to me like the people who buy runes only have about 3 champions and the ones that buy champions only have about 2 rune pages.
According to what I just found, you have champion mastery on 107 champions. Not saying level 5, but just played 107 champions since the introduction of champion mastery in season 6. You also play upwards of 3 games a day. I don't have time for 3 games a day. I barely have time for 1. Sometimes, I don't have time to play a game. Othertimes, I go for weeks without playing because I don't want to deal with the toxic community anymore.
Just because you can get more in the same amount of time doesn't mean you need to say it shouldn't be fixed. Not everyone has 4 hours a day to sit at a computer. Not everyone wants to play 3 games either. Riot should allow the average player to get all the runes in a reasonable time. Not to take Years but rather a year or 2 at the most. Some people that play once a day since season 3 still don't have all the runes. That's what I think is absurd.
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doiminat0r36002 votesYou keep bringing up this "one game per day" thing like you do that. But I looked at your match history. 3 days ago, you played 11 games. Everyday this past week you played atleast 3 games. 5 days ago -- 21 games. 6 days ago -- 9 games.
You keep breaking down my replies and it's making your comments harder to read.
You say wrong priorities but I believe over 80% of all league players buy champions more than runes. Nobody I know buys an expensive item that gives you a .2% chance of doing better vs buying an entirely new experience via a new champion. Wrong is subjective as well, so someone that is homeless could have a priority of getting himself fed and someone that makes $60K a year could be focused on upgrading their house. Wrong priority? Nope.
What if I was to say "You play multiple games a day because you have nothing else to do with your time?" See? That's not even remotely an argument. You can't say that I can't get what I want because I dont dedicate hours of my day to a stupid game. Not to mention that I'm still in school, employed when I'm not at school, am in a relationship that's been going for well over a year, and finals are coming up where I live. And you blame me for playing 1 game a day? Ha. That's like telling Riot they didn't make a good game because they don't goof off when they work.
You are going all strawman on me. You're the one that keeps saying I shouldnt get what I want because I don't dedicate the time to it but now you're acting like i'm attacking you for the argument you literally just stated was irrelevant? No. That's not good enough.
Just because I don't have time doesn't mean I should get a reward. I think that because only people that have no job, school, or social life shouldn't have to play for 5x longer than someone else just to get something that can determine whether or not you win a game. If it's out of your control, why should you be subjected to it? Think of it this way: If riot's servers were lagging for everyone that didn't play more than 4 games a day, that would be a problem. Right? Everyone would hate riot for that decision. Rewarding the people that play a lot rather than keeping the playing ground equal.
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doiminat0r36002 votesPlease stop using my quotes. You don't have to quote it in order to get your point across. See how I did it? Paragraphs. Not quoting then paragraphs. It adds like 3x the length.
Anyway, on to the reply:
One game per day is average. If you have something to do outside of video games, you wouldn't be playing more than once a day.
You can use yourself as an excuse of why the rest of us can't get what we need. Why can't I?
Besides the point, it tripled the length of this response and doubled the length of your response. I have to scroll to see your response and type. Not very easy to discuss.
I'm not saying I want runes and rune pages then buying champions. I'm saying that I don't think that spending 15k IP for a single complete rune page is practical or efficient for the average player (again, someone that plays one game a day). I'm also saying that it takes double or sometimes even triple the IP to get a full rune page than the champion it goes with.
The point of new champs is so you can get a different angle on the game and a better grasp of the mechanics. How are you supposed to know how to skillshot if you've only played Fiddlesticks?
Yes they have completely different needs to fill but if the homeless guy is putting more money/year than on a potential house, how can he survive? If someone with a $60k/year job is spending more money on food or wants rather than paying bills, then it becomes a problem. I was hoping you'd get the point considering you appear to build yourself as an English Major, which I heavily doubt considering all the grammatical errors you have been making thus far.
My point on playing so many games a day still stands. I have a priority not to sit around and play a videogame all day. Just like you seem to have a priority to play one all day. To what? Nothing when it comes down to it. What happens when you get your first real job and they ask you about credentials? Saying "I played 6 straight hours of League of Legends one day" isn't a good sign.
You don't get the point of my time management. You should get rewarded for playing for 3 years straight. Not have to grind the entire 3 years and still not be able to afford all the runes in the store.
What do you mean "TOP KEK"? That has to be the most useless thing in this entire response. It shows no intelligence and contributes nothing to the argument. It is a stupid game. Why? Because at the end it's still a videogame. It does nothing to the average person's life except waste it. In the end, League turns into an "I'm better than you now shut up because you don't know what you're talking about" mentality, much like you're trying to do right now.
You don't get it do you? It's not how I manage time. It's how I manage my priorities. I prioritize things that will get me further in 20 years over things that won't. Playing games for 6 hours a day will not help you in 20 years. It clearly hasn't helped you get boosted back to Gold IV. Yeah, I checked. You were silver then and now you're silver again.
I'll end my argument with this.
Don't come back with the same arguments I've already said are irrelevant. And please, don't use that stupid format of yours. It really hurts my head.
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doiminat0r36001 votessigh I give up. Hopeless.
You continue to be blind to my points. You continue to insult me and call me "mentally challenged" when you can't grasp someone elses concept of the game. You keep using all of these definitions as if they hold weight but they just add useless text. Instead of arguing a point, you just are saying "That's an ad hominem argument" which isn't building anything to the conversation. You don't bother to see this at a different viewpoint. It's like this. You can't just say it's irrelevant by saying it is. You make it irrelevant with facts. Just because you have more time on your hands doesn't mean you should be rewarded. Once a day is not "extremely rare play" as you put it. You are taking things out of my argument that you can easily "debunk" and "debunking" them. That's called Cherry Picking. Half of your replies are useless because it's "Oh he's using ad hominem again."
Useless.
Hyrum Graff1 votesI hate that I've been playing for 3 years and I only have 3 full sets of 9 T3 Rune pages (2 glyphs, one mark).
Sure you can buy T2 runes but they aren't as effective or as large of a choice variety. You have several things missing such as hybrid penetration,
MR and Armor Hybrid, and % HP.
By contrast, I've been playing for 4 years and have most runes, but almost no champs over 3500 IP.
doiminat0r36001 votesYou can't get the best of both apparently. Unless you're playing dozens of hours a day like that other guy on this comment replying with walls of text.
It's a bit ridiculous that you can't succeed in this unless you dedicate your life to it.
Hyrum Graff1 votesYou won't be disappointed. I think that's all I can say here.
Arakadia5 votesHow would you know anymore than the rest of us?
Sad Tyrant3 votesI think he said they couldn't get any worse
Keevalroy4 votesI think they could be plenty worse...like having keystones for runes.
KoggyStyle4 votesyou mean quints?
Keevalroy1 votesNo, I mean replacing runes with like 3-5 bullshit keystones.
Cremepie3 votesDon't give them any ideas, the last thing I want is them replacing runes with a general preset/thing giving no customization.
Warriors Scars - 15 AD 15% AS Mages Tome - 20 AP 5% CDR Titans Shield - 15 AR 15 MR 150 HP Servants Collar - 100 HP 2 Bonus Gold per 5 Seconds
Keevalroy3 votesIt's like you're reading a future patch.
Hyrum Graff1 votesDon't give them any ideas, the last thing I want is them replacing runes with a general preset/thing giving no customization.
Warriors Scars - 15 AD 15% AS Mages Tome - 20 AP 5% CDR Titans Shield - 15 AR 15 MR 150 HP Servants Collar - 100 HP 2 Bonus Gold per 5 Seconds
How do you customize runes now that this would not allow you?
Keevalroy2 votesThat's the point...
PaladinNO2 votesAnd thus the truth was spoken. +1 https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/XqQAkicU-new-item-idea-dorans-collar
Servants Collar - 100 HP 2 Bonus Gold per 5 Seconds
Servant's Collar only because "Bitch Leash" would be too obvious, right?
Please remind me...what was the lane located on the lower end of the map called again? I keep confusing the name "bot lane" with "bondage", and now I can't remember what was what. :(
Hyrum Graff1 votesI think they could be plenty worse...like having keystones for runes.
Why would that be worse?
Keevalroy1 votesDo you honestly think keystones were a good addition to League?
Hyrum Graff1 votesDo you honestly think keystones were a good addition to League?
https://i.imgur.com/4dF68N7.jpg?noredirect
I'm interested in *why* you have certain opinions much more than what they are. I might agree with you; I might disagree; either way, it's irrelevant to why you think that keystones were not a good addition to League.
Keevalroy1 votesI'm implying that if you need to question why more keystones replacing the current runes would be a bad thing, that it's baffling how you couldn't see how terrible that would be, especially since keystones are still being modified and reworked a year and half after their forced introduction because Riot doesn't realize they'll never be a healthy addition to this game. If they move to runes, we'll see even more pigeon-holing, more power creep they just started addressing, and more restrictive "choices" (even though they really don't give us any,) by punishing us for not following a cookie-cutter order all the way to the end.
Hyrum Graff1 votesI'm implying that if you need to question why more keystones replacing the current runes would be a bad thing, that it's baffling how you couldn't see how terrible that would be, especially since keystones are still being modified and reworked a year and half after their forced introduction because Riot doesn't realize they'll never be a healthy addition to this game.
I'm just gonna ignore this and future stuff like it, since there's absolutely no discussion here. Even in the stuff below, I'd really appreciate if you gave examples of why you think a certain way, rather than just stating your opinions as if they're so obvious that of course I agree, I'm not stupid, after all.
more power creep they just started addressing
I agree that there was some power creep. I'm not sure that's actually true any more, though. Old masteries gave quite a bit of power, too. The difference is that it's much easier to see the power of, say, a keystone, than it was to see the power of 5 or 6 random mastery points spread through the tree before.
more restrictive "choices" (even though they really don't give us any,) [...]
Tbh, I'm a little confused by this. I know fewer options can feel like fewer choices, but honestly... In the old system, if you wanted the final mastery in a tree, you had to put 21 points in that tree. The only thing I'm sad we lost is the ability to double down on the same tree.
more pigeon-holing [...] punishing us for not following a cookie-cutter order all the way to the end.
I think this is another one of those places where it implies the current system isn't cookie-cutter. Yes, there are a few edge cases. I was able to make Ashe Jungle work last season by maxing out attack speed runes and abusing krug buff. But overall, there's a certain set of runes that work best on each champion. I almost always use the same 6 rune pages. Most of them have flat armor yellows and scaling MR blues. Then I have:
I have a couple others for specific champions (MS on janna/rammus, lethality for poke champs on aram), but honestly the 6 above are what I use 90% of the time.
You could cut down to 3 of each rune and remove any runes not listed above, and I'd lose exactly 0 choice. When a "choice" is always wrong, it's a trap, not a real choice (ex: scaling hp quints are always better than %hp).
In short, I'm not convinced a bunch of keystones would be strictly worse. Worse at some things, yes, but better at others.
Hyrum Graff1 votesHow would you know anymore than the rest of us?
I interviewed at Riot. Didn't get the position but NDA still applies.
Arakadia1 voteshrmmm
Hyrum Graff1 votesBasically, I can't say anything that isn't already publicly known (and, tbh, I don't know that much more). Most of it you can find if you go look back on Ghostcrawler's blog. It's pretty far back; you'll probably have better luck searching.
Hyrum Graff1 votesArakadia1 votesI'm not calling you a liar, but those who doubt/doubted you shouldn't really be blamed because literally anyone could/can claim what you claimed.
I could say that the Urgot rework won't be disappointing, and once it comes out say that I knew a bunch of stuff about him when I originally made a claim.
Hyrum Graff1 votesI'm not calling you a liar, but those who doubt/doubted you shouldn't really be blamed because literally anyone could/can claim what you claimed.
I could say that the Urgot rework won't be disappointing, and once it comes out say that I knew a bunch of stuff about him when I originally made a claim.
I was specifically claiming that runes wouldn't cost thousands of IP, like OP was asking for, but I can see how it could be interpreted as a general claim.
Also agree that anyone could make some claims and don't fault you for doubting.
If you still doubt, I can share some trivia like: they have a movie theater style room called nocturne (most conference rooms are named after champs), and when you turn down the lights, it plays "DARKNESSSS" from the speakers, lol.
