so sick of this stupid fucking meme.
the only adcs who EVER say that are the ones who are so trash they don't realize that unlike season 6, adcs actually have to be played with at least A LITTLE thought now.
dumbass jinx and his dumb duo friend continually feed 20 kills by themselves
what does jinx say after we ask her why she keeps fighting people with 3k+ gold on her
"adc 2017"
yeah no fuck you you're just bad.
SEKAI57 votesMarksmen are so bad in 2017, lethality was broken and hard to balance mostly due to them.
Marksmen are so bad in 2017, they are still mandatory in every team comps.
Marksmen are so bad in 2017, now with GA in their core items.
Marksmen are so bad in 2017.
KONO RUBICK DA15 votesto be fair marksmen are not mandatory, people will tell me that mordekaiser was designed to go bot if i say that Van darkholme got to challenger by playing adc morde.
but 3 stars 1 dragon got from gold to diamond 4 by playing Bot lane Aurelion sol and the season didn't even end yet people are just following the meta without questioning it
you don't need an adc, you just need DPS and one or two ranged champion to siege towers from safety
Sun Wu Ryuumoku3 voteswhen u play 
with a melee supp, do u both start with 
?
KONO RUBICK DA6 votes
on , and take 2 of them if they have someone like cait
on support most of the time as relic shield will give less XP to morde since he needs to last hit every minions to get bonus xp from passive
this can be decisive as sometimes you will be lvl 2 with the enemies, but morde will be lvl 3 for a short amount of time which can make you win a 2v2 if you engage right when morde has a bonus lvl
DeathBurst3 votesMorde can still take a Relic Shield, even if you don't want his Support to have one because of the XP passive. And I do believe that's the best item for him in Bot lane.
And I think the Support should take what item is best for them, not taking into account the XP passive. The XP lost to a Relic Shield support is rather negligible, something like 0.2 minion worth of XP per wave. If I remember correctly, the passive only gives back 50% of the XP that should be lost due to the presence of an ally, and you still get 60-something % of the XP when there is 2 champs in a lane.
Troll for Trump12 votesIf you don't play a traditional ADC, you usually need to duo though.
Should just get rid of duos in SoloQ, premades are kinda advantageous
Dream High6 votesDon't forget last whisper is cheap as fuck and then they had BORK which is busted. Deathdance, fervore buffs, life steal in general makes them unkillable if you haven't got enough burst.
AFilthyCaitMain17 votesThis was rightfully a meme at the beginning of the season, although it shouldnt apply now.
Teridax6841 votesIt's worth noting that at no point ever in this season, let alone any other in the game's history, was the marksman class truly endangered. Sure, marksmen weren't in a great spot, and died too quickly in a game that's become oversaturated with damage, but we still saw a marksman bot on each team every game, and even marksmen in the support role. Meanwhile, actual supports now have to compete with many mages and tanks that have migrated to bot lane, and both assassins and tanks have suffered tremendously in their class updates by being harshly balanced around marksmen. "ADC in 2K17" is the cry of a portion of the playerbase afraid to lose even a slight amount of the tremendous privilege they have been granted over the years.
AirKingNeo8 votesBeginning of the season, mages were better ADCs.
Teridax6820 votesPerhaps, but they still didn't replace marksmen. Even with the very brief rise of Ziggs bot, the vast majority of teams still ran a marksman in the bot lane, even when they were apparently so bad as to be flat-out worse than another class. When a class is still so essential to every match even when they're at their apparent worst, then either that class isn't doing as badly as its players like to think, or the game is built way too hard around that class, to the detriment of every other (or both).
AwesomeGuyDj2 votesThe adc 2017 meme isnt more like saying adc's are bad from what i understand. Its more like when you go against akali top zed mid and lee jungle. And there all out for your blood in teamfights. Theres just not much you can do but pray to the holy gods of league that there mentally deficient or your team actually peels for you.
Anidan5 votesI'd contend that League is built too much around the ADC role, and has been for years now. Even in S2 people were complaining that the game was centered too much around the ADC. The problem is that solutions that League players would accept on a wide scale seem few and far between.
Mordepool1 votesI am one of those player's. Frankly all ADC Range needs a nerf. Or Lifesteal needs a nerf
Anidan1 votesI'm not sure it's nerfs that are going to solve the problem. Even when ADCs are crap at a given point they're still picked up. No, League needs a shift in some other way if they want to escape ADCs without making them useless in the process.
Mordepool1 votesYour probably right in that regard it would take alot of systematic changes to bridge that gap
Knoyle2 votesNo, 
was.
bot is basically a get camped or take the turret sub 10 minutes lane
Chembaron Yamada3 votes[...] but we still saw a marksman bot on each team every game [...]
Not entirely true.
Exhibit A:
The tower taking power of marksmen is the only reason they still got used, Ziggs can fulfill the same task and therefore was played in that position. And people were actively searching for other replacements. If there would be more ranged champions in this game with that amount of pushing power without being marksmen, the outcome would have been different.
Teridax687 votesOkay, sure, one champion was occasionally seen replacing marksmen in some specific comps for a month or two. The fact that this one irregularity would be cause for alarm, when literally every other position has multiple classes vying for dominance, including cases where some classes drop off the radar almost entirely (e.g. assassins pre-update), well illustrates the double standard between marksmen and the rest of the game when it comes to champion diversity. We can all talk about how we want more diversity in matches and more unusual picks, including marksman bleeding into literally every other position (including support), but as long as we think having a team without a marksman is going too far, team comp diversity is never going to improve meaningfully.
Chembaron Yamada3 votesI don't have a problem with other subclasses being played in the bot lane position. But I see quite a problem with how to implement it.
Riot is trying to implement as many subclasses in as many roles as possible. You can see it in their develops of the recent champs. There was no marksman played in the jungle mainly. They designed Kindred with that goal.
Do you know about the early development of Bard? They wanted to create an assassin played in the support role, giving him mobility and stealth. But it didn't work out so they changed his kit to be the enchanter we know. But they didn't give up, they finally designed an assassin/support hybrid with Rakan. His playstyle is pretty close to the classic assassin.
Riot tried to get other subclasses in the bot lane position before. Remember Mordekaiser? He was designed to be a melee champ played in that role. But it didn't work out well and he is in need of a VGU.
But that's the way I see it. It is hard to implement another subclass in that role, for us just as well as for Riot by creating a new champ for that purpose. But the case with Ziggs was a hint that it can work out if you get another champ filling the spot of the "wrecking ball". Maybe they will be able to implement new champs for that issue in the future.
NGNL Asian1 votesIt's worth noting that at no point ever in this season, let alone any other in the game's history, was the marksman class truly endangered. Sure, marksmen weren't in a great spot, and died too quickly in a game that's become oversaturated with damage, but we still saw a marksman bot on each team every game, and even marksmen in the support role. Meanwhile, actual supports now have to compete with many mages and tanks that have migrated to bot lane, and both assassins and tanks have suffered tremendously in their class updates by being harshly balanced around marksmen. "ADC in 2K17" is the cry of a portion of the playerbase afraid to lose even a slight amount of the tremendous privilege they have been granted over the years.
dude if your jg is good and if your mid wins and roams, go bot and get feed. it's gg. That's why if your top is retarded it doesnt even matter. Getting botside control=drag/first turret gold then you cna transit that shit towards top for rift
zaire901 votesHad a ranked game where mid and bot got fed but full boots of swifties and 5 agility cloak garen fed nasus and threw the game
NGNL Asian1 votesHad a ranked game where mid and bot got fed but full boots of swifties and 5 agility cloak garen fed nasus and threw the game
feelsbadman
Karfuss3 votesSupports in 2K17
:'(
All these pesky mid laners masquerading as supports. Get out. Go home. You're not welcome.
Tribbles Foxfolk6 votesThis was rightfully a meme at the beginning of the season, although it shouldnt apply now.
No, it was never rightful. ADCs were still a major part of every composition, even at the beginning of the season.
Scary Door6 votesSome ADCs are in a legitimately bad spot. Corki and Kalista come to mind. So if you play Kalista and get destroyed in lane by Lucian, Caitlyn or Jinx (you know the only ADCs that ever get played anymore outside of the occasional Draven or Vayne), you will likely believe the meme "ADC2k17" because in those two instances it is well deserved.
Otherwise, range > melee in PVP games... always has been, always will be.
Kinkou Order5 votesSo a couple are in the trash like other champs such as Olaf, Eve and Urgot have been in the past or currently or are .
A couple champs does not mean the entire class.
There was perhaps a slightly higher risk involved with playing marksmen and that is only a perhaps but the fact that people still constantly played them outside of Ziggs finding a place in bot lane for a time shows that even with this increased risk in playing them people still found them to be mandatory to have.
SirLapse2 votesUrgot is bad, the other two are situationally good. Picking Olaf into a CC-heavy team and dominating the mid game is still very possible and consistent when you know how to play him. There's a high Diamond/Master tier OTP Evelynn also, so she's not doing that badly.
Kinkou Order2 votesI ma talking about Eve in season 2 into season 3 and Olaf in season 3.
Both were in a really bad place back then.
Dengeden5 votesrange > melee in PVP games... always has been, always will be.
Quick, Huni! Pick Lucian top!
Scary Door4 votesOr how about Vayne, Quinn or Teemo. Those champs certainly never go top lane.
Dengeden1 votesWith moderate success they do and with less success than certain melees. Team comps, melee all-ins and junglers trump range v melee, I'm afraid.
Boy am I glad that Kayle, who has been shreking top lane for a year now, is a hybrid or I wouldn't have a leg to stand on.^
Mike170326 votesMandatory or not, it sure as hell isn't fun to get 2 shot in your own backline at the start of every team fight by a hyper mobile diver that also gets a free escape because of the mobility creep in the game.
Sure I bet the role is just swell if you have a team with a proper comp and teammates that know how to peel, but down here in Silver those are things we can only dream about.
13900 Essence5 votesI haven't unironically seen the "adc in 2k17 LUL" meme since like February. I don't understand where other people are.
skyskee00813 votesBoards seem to hate ADCs and think they have the most agency in the game (even though they probably never play ADC).
Right now ADC is strong but I've played a lot of ADC and it's much much much harder to carry than playing almost any other role. Your lane is decided by your support, the amount of gold you get is decided by how your team manages waves and rotations (please let ADC farm mid it's way safer for mid laners to sit side lanes), and your late game is decided on if your team decides to peel for you or even pay attention to you.
Sure your positioning matters, but tbh I'd rather play support because I feel less like my teams bitch in that role.
AirKingNeo4 votesDude we fucking get it. Earlier in the season ADCs were worthless and Ziggs was a better option. Now ADCs are broken and we're in an ADC meta. Things change over 6 months. No need to act all high and mighty because Riot, not knowing how to balance the game, unbalances the game again.
Joxcab4 votesBut they weren't ever worthless then.
AirKingNeo3 votesIf people didn't want to play ADC, they probably were.
Statikk Succ 4 votesI haven't heard anyone say that in months lmao
skyskee0083 voteshaha xd man not like ADC in 2k17 meme died 3 months ago when marksman stopped being worthless.
Haha not like boards wasn't crying their hearts out about ADCs even when they were garbage.
Joxcab3 votesADCs weren't worthless ever.
Aimléss3 votesFucking top laners run past the diving amumu and Rengar to go jump on a carry, while the Thresh and Jinx do all they can to stay alive. Then they turn around screaming, "Our team does no damage!", or "Why are you fucking dead again!" When their ADC got completely taken out of the fight because they didn't give enough of a fuck to peel for them if even for a second. Then run to the boards to complain. Like , yeah, I can do this too, but it's so stupid. Everybody gets pissed off and screwed over by other roles, but shit posts like this are just here to cause controversy and get some false feeling of superiority for your own role.
General Theritt3 votesExcept the ADC is complaining about a lack of peel against amumu and rengar, both champs relying on dashes, and the support is THRESH no less, the god of peel supports. If your top is diving the opponent ADC, and you're getting dived, isn't it an extremely even trade? especially if the top is a CC bot 
or 
, champions who actually have to dive into the opponent team, and be equally peeled off, but also provide an opening and in a sense peel from any follow-up. Also, you can't truly complain when 
is a fairly strong item paired with 
nowadays meaning if you get dived, you just wait it out since Amumu and Rengar can only burst one person at a time, and amumu's CC will be worn off, and Rengar will be popped like a balloon unless he built like a bruiser. Also, if that's a problem, have supp pick 
. His peel and CC, + save potential is exponential against CC lockdown and burst since he'll just swallow you up and save your ass. Hilarious comment tho. Nice joke.
Shablagoo3 votesHow can they still be saying this? Practically every update this season has been to help them, the assassin update was mostly made to give them time to react, dmg was nerfed across the board to give them more of a chance, the tank update was made so that tanks wouldnt be able to blow them up, support items literally gave them buffs specifically tailored to them shields,heals, attacks speed buffs etc, and even in the last tank update they had all crit item cost reduced. Adc's are the most coddled role in this game, hell they even have a role specifically designed to help them get kills and protect them.
Very Epic Guy3 votes"Why can't I kill everyone by right-clicking them once? What the fuck is positioning? What are you talking about with that situational awareness thing? I don't think that exists"
woodvsmurph2 votesTo paraphrase a pro scene caster and a famous quote: Doing the same thing and expecting the result to be different each time is idiocracy.
In layman's terms: If you lost the 2v2 the first time, and the second time, and the..., you are not going to win it the 8th time vs the enemy duo who is a full item and 2 levels ahead of you. Stop being an idiot, sacrifice some cs to stay alive and farm under tower so you don't fall 3+ kills behind, and stop throwing the game all by yourselves in laning phase.
Master Vemira1 votes
Lauchmelder5 votesBecause you complain about feeders while the OP complains about people trying to use the "ADC in 2k17" meme as an excuse for being shit.
r2U5psBajK4jsHxq1 votesUnpopular opinion:
Tanks are being mega buffed, when they're already stupidly broken.
AD items are being gutted because of beginning of season assassin update.
Only playable ADC's are those that bring utility.
ADC is no longer about being a carry, it's about supporting your team. 
I'm a top/jungle player, and I can even see this.
PureSilvrr5 votesActually this is a hypercarry patch >.> Vayne Kog Twitch Trist and jinx are all good rn, and Dravens busted because of Deaths Dance
