Stop Buffing Zed

Willioss·Mar 30, 2018·132 votes·6,731 views

8.4 Buff 8.6 Buff 8.7 Buff + Tabi nerfed

As it was not already too cancerous to play against him as an immobile mage

Edit : I know that Duskblade has been nerfed but in my opinion they overbuffed him to compensate Duskblade nerf

167 Comments

WorksAtAGayBarMar 31, 201853 votes

In norms at least he is banned almost every game. I can play against him, I would just prefer not to. Obnoxious champ. Not saying he is broken but definitely not fun to play against imo.

SweedishGunnerMar 31, 201843 votes

Laning vs him is a chore, he's not that strong unless he's fed, but I agree that it's simply not fun to fight against him.

EROTIC RAID BOSSApr 1, 20182 votes

how tf is it a chore. he pokes like a mage but has to melee to cs a lot of minions, and his ult is pretty easily countered with a 600g purchase or exhaust, or just avoiding damage after he ults you

Al HavocApr 1, 20187 votes

because he does massive damage with shurikens,e,electrocute and its not all that hard to hit. He essentially does it for free as well because energy is a passively renewable resource. What mage can do that?

EROTIC RAID BOSSApr 2, 20181 votes

he does what I consider a normal amount of poke damage personally. and he has to risk more to cs which I think is a fair tradeoff to not having mana.

yasuo he aint, he hardly seems like a big deal to lane against to me.

Q zzyMar 31, 201812 votes

I can lane against him okay if I have to (pre-6. post 6 is a nightmare in itself). Its that if I get even the slightest bit ahead in lane (CS/exp), he roams bot and wrecks everyone. I cant follow him because he will wreck me too. (PS never follow assassins in to Fog of War). I ping and everything but it happens so many times. Even if I shove so he loses cs and xp it doesnt matter if he gets fed anyway.

OnotoriMar 31, 201826 votes

Even playing a mobile mage against Zed is cancerous. Maw of Invincibility makes it so you can't actually kill him, and his absurd damage and itemization makes sure you die even if he misses half his stuff.

BlåbæretMar 31, 201816 votes

At this point, playing a mage vs. Zed is already an auto-lost lane.

GayFluffyUnicornMar 31, 20188 votes

Yup, playing zed these days is not fun at all against cancer mages that just autowin pre 6.

AhristocatsMar 30, 201813 votes

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As it was not already too cancerous to play against him as an immobile mage

clearly it was not because in my book it was cancerous to play against immobile mages as zed

y0r1ckMar 31, 20186 votes

Clearly an unpopular opinion here, mind explaining why you say that?

AmazoXMar 31, 20185 votes

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Clearly an unpopular opinion here, mind explaining why you say that?

It's an unpopular opinion because Rubick is a Master ranked player and HIGH elo on multiple accounts.

y0r1ckMar 31, 20181 votes

Yeah obviously. I wanna know his reasoning though

Handin Out NapsMar 31, 20186 votes

Zed just isn't a good laner until 3/4 and even then his main poke tool is on a 24 second cd. Most immobile mages can abuse Zed pretty hard early game and can just buy tabis/seeker and become basically unkillable, mix that with the fact that mana really isnt a thing anymore and their ability to shove they just end up winning lane. The problem begins when low elo players dont know how to properly lane complain about riot buffing a champ that got a net negative result from the duskblade compensation. Shit even twisted fate is pretty good into Zed and shit like that should never happen.

AhristocatsMar 31, 201814 votes

it's quite simple They buy ninja tabi and zed doesn't deal damage anymore

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/425287355172126721/428987509851160577/8-6_EUW1-3580890890_01.webm

here is an example where corki bought ninja tabi and tanked a tripple shuriken with zed ult corki isn't a mage, but if you replace corki by any mage you get the same result

now i know ninja tabi will be nerfed but this is already something to point out zed needs to rush duskblade+youmu to deal damage, and his 6000 gold itemization gets countered by 1100 gold

then in lane, the mage can already apply pressure at lvl 1 because zed is melee all you have to do is be behind minions and if zed wants to poke you he pushes the lane+doesn't deal a lot of damage with Q so he gets camped and the jungler just has to wait until zed wastes his W to gank him because zed needs to use his W to poke and win the lane

which has 22 sec cd by the way, so each time zed uses W the mage has 22 sec where he autowins trades and prevents zed from farming

literally the only zed player in challenger is LL stylish, and When he played againist febiven recently who picked yasuo mid febiven said "i troll picked since you also troll picked"

Krys StarMar 31, 20181 votes

clearly it was not because in my book it was cancerous to play against immobile mages as zed

Okay.

here is an example where corki bought ninja tabi and tanked a tripple shuriken with zed ult corki isn't a mage, but if you replace corki by any mage you get the same result

Uh...

immobile mages, corki isn't a mage

You just kind of invalidated your point there, not because Corki isn't a mage, but because Corki isn't exactly an immobile champion. That, on top of the fact that Corki doesn't really have to worry about a Zed building a Hexdrinker, nor does he really have to stress about rushing Armguard/Zhonyas against you, thus limiting his resources and potential early on.

AhristocatsMar 31, 20184 votes

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That, on top of the fact that Corki doesn't really have to worry about a Zed building a Hexdrinker

you do realise that corki is magic damage based right?

saltranApr 1, 20184 votes

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you do realise that corki is magic damage based right?

WHY are you being downvoted just for saying that Corky has most of his dmg as magic dmg????????

Holy fk this Boards should burn and be forgotten, worst forum I've ever seen.

AazzlanoApr 1, 20182 votes

????????? this doesn't even make sense Zed only autoattacked once at most, and he did it while Corki was above 50% health. He landed E and shurikens sure, but does that mean you are supposed to kill someone? Like, is Zed supposed to 100-0 someone who built armor, without using practically any autoattacks, or his passive, without having Duskblade completed or anything like that, completely safely as well since he blinked twice (and still had a 3rd blink available) yet STILL be allowed to autoattack people to death as well as well as benefit from Duskblade when its completed (which was more than rightfully nerfed)??

AD champs should NEVER have such a quick kill combo purely on their abilities with like no autoattacks, but STILL be able to benefit from massively superior itemization AND the benefit of incredibly strong autoattacks. Let alone one no real resource, and with 3 blinks and the shadow which all make landing abilities trivial and very safe. He should have to use his passive and multiple autoattacks to have a chance to kill someone, especially one that built armor.

Not sure why mages have to do 2.5 rotations of their abilities to kill someone who built Hexdrinker and that's ok, but someone building Tabi's and only getting autoattacked A SINGLE TIME (which is the only difference from building straight armor with that gold) with their combo somehow warrants that person dying.

Sure Zed isn't performing super well at the top levels, but he deserves to be tuned low with how cancerous his kit is.

Supreme Senpai69Mar 31, 20182 votes

lol @ the downvotes for asking a genuine question

come @ me downvote drones

TotalJerkMar 31, 20185 votes

You ult and he uses Event Horizon behind himself and stuns you
You ult and he preps a pillar of fire behind himself to stun you
You ult and she uses Dark Binding behind herself and snares you
You ult and she uses her passive to stun you while using Molten Shield to eat some of your burst
You ult and she uses Petrifying Gaze behind herself to stun you
You ult and she uses Ring of Frost to root you or Frozen Tomb to stun you. Or she can use Frozen Tomb to render herself untargetable and heal.
You ult and she uses Light Binding behind herself to snare you while shielding herself with Prismatic barrier
You ult and he uses Nether Grasp to suppress you while his passive potentially eats one of your spells
You ult and he uses Rune Prison to root you while having the option to shield some of your damage
You ult and she uses Scatter the Weak behind herself to stun you
You ult and she uses Seismic Shove behind herself to knock you up
You ult and he uses Tectonic Disruption behund himself to knock you up
You ult and he ults himself, wasting your ult.
You ult and she uses Flash Frost behind herself and stuns you, if that doesn't save her, if she has passive near an ally or a turret she'll just resurrect.
You ult and she uses Command: Shockwave to knock you up with the option to shield herself with Command: Protect
You ult and she uses grasping roots behind herself to root you
You ult and he can pool to eat your ult

That leaves around 5 immobile mages that for some reason or another don't have a way to reliably punish Zed for ulting; Swain TwistedFate Viktor Xerath and Zoe . His ult is basically a sign that says "I am going to be directly behind this person in .75 seconds after which I wont be able to recast ult for .5 seconds, so prep your CC.

Most "one dash" champions on the other hand are just mobile enough that Riot tends to design them in a way that they cannot reliably CC or escape assassins, though. Most assassins have kits where if you dash away from them, they will be able to just hop right on top of you a second time. Leaving only hyper mobile or lockdown heavy champions capable of dealing with fed assassins without specific itemization or relying on allies.

3TWarriorMar 31, 20182 votes

wouldn't zilean double Q instead of using his ultimate? it would prevent him from dying if he was low, but a free stun and high damage seems better

1983XL200RMar 30, 201813 votes

They seem to be buffing only the low elo pub stompers. Master Yi, Darius, Zed, all assassins. There's too many people to ban.

Masala ChaiMar 31, 20182 votes

I fail to recognize how Darius or Master Yi are "assassins" since Darius has no mobility, and really long delays and Master Yi is essentially more hammered into DPS.

sit kidMar 31, 20186 votes

I dont think thats what he mean. Think he meant, theyre buffing pretty much all assassins and the champions he mentioned

JofeyyMar 31, 201813 votes

Richboi redmercy paying rito to buff zed so he can get to masters OMEGALUL

IręlíaMar 31, 20182 votes

Who is downvoting you? lol its a meme by now..... geez people calm your tits.

TheHappyReaperzMar 30, 201811 votes

Then don't play immobile mages into Zed. Certain champs are, and should be, strong against certain other types. There is nothing wrong with that.

WilliossMar 30, 201849 votes

Don't you know being first pick ?

Dope SoloMar 31, 201845 votes

No, that's just pure and utter bullshit. Think of it this way: Would you rather play League of counterpicks, or league of balanced mechanical outplay?

Glory ln DeathMar 31, 20184 votes

How about we play the current "League of Counterpick, but if You Are Good Enough Mechanically, You Can Still Outplay Them"?

Dope SoloMar 31, 20185 votes

Nice thought, but this isn't an instance where that applies.

DimensiVigilanteMar 31, 201811 votes

Zed really isn't in a good spot, he is and always will be a noob stomper. Because he has a safe laning phase and good lethal potential.

Go anywhere near a higher elo, he becomes much harder to get ahead.

He is not even cancerous to play against, and as an immobile mage, you almost always, on every champ have the advantage if you are playing it correctly, and no I don't mean just mechanics wise, you should also have good back timings, you should have a defensive summoner such as barrier. You should be zoning him off creeps level 1-3 and avoiding his harass, watching out for jungler and then finally freezing by your turret so that you can get a gank.

But you're probably walking into a full combo and wondering why you died, or coming back to lane after you died, doing the exact same thing, and wondering why you died again, you're probably taking TP but not using it correctly, and literally have a 'die quicker' summoner spell instead.

Please look at this guide, instead of asking for nerfs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVx3KgC5CyI

kurdt911Mar 31, 20187 votes

Just checked his winrates. Highter elo = highter winrate Zed has. (Excluding Challenger/Master tier but who cares about this 0,001%) So what the shit you talking about?\

Also checked his lane kill rate. And he has bad lane kill rate agains't...3 midlaners and mostly he has 60-80% lane killrate. I don't care if they will buff him but this can result in 70%~ banrate.

leakinbMar 31, 20189 votes

Zed is already cancerous in low elo Low elo zed does not need too much skills to kill lane opponent Buffing him just make him pick or ban in low elo

StupaflyMar 31, 20187 votes

as a mid player i personally feel zed in strong but hes not over bearing unless he gets ahead. Let me tell you.... there are alot of champs you dont want gettin ahead.

Generally id rather face a zed than a kat any day of the week.

#FuckKat2018

rtbf93840833Mar 31, 20183 votes

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IronHeartMar 31, 20186 votes

Bro, 8.7 is just a revert from 8.6 its not a buff zz

ReySolomonMar 31, 20185 votes

He was only buffed because a one trick masters Zed came on the boards and made a special post about ''zed too weak'' and it got upvoted hard.

LacerationMar 31, 20181 votes

I actually just pointed out that since their goal was the compensate the lost damage from duskblade and inject it back into their kits was not good enough mathematically. Also, they are doing that because duskblade was too sgood if you get it early like at 7mins or too weak if you are behind get it by 10mins.

ReySolomonApr 1, 20183 votes

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I actually just pointed out that since their goal was the compensate the lost damage from duskblade and inject it back into their kits was not good enough mathematically. Also, they are doing that because duskblade was too sgood if you get it early like at 7mins or too weak if you are behind get it by 10mins.

Before duskblade came out zed was just fine i'm not sure why the buffs?

Guy Fox TeemoMar 31, 20185 votes

Zeds just kinda shit in todays meta, with the amount of shields and heals there are, going through a Barrier, Zhonyas, Adaptive helm, locket, etc. All stacked makes it really hard for him to do much of anything.

My Waifu VanillaMar 31, 201810 votes

item 3194 u wot?

PaffWasTakenMar 31, 20184 votes

Whats the point to nerf an item, if you overbuff every single persons who abused this item? This makes no logic at all

KoKobotoMar 31, 20184 votes

lmfao everyone complaining about Zed needs to get good. He has strong lane because everything else is weak and so telegraphed.... Below 49% winrate and people complaining LOOOL Also buy Zhonyas LOOOOOOL

MysticDreams12Mar 31, 20183 votes

Learn to be nice. Telling people to "get good" is rude.

PowerOfHate Apr 1, 20182 votes

Zed is one of the few champs you can punish you for being bad at the game aka: Positioning,Dodgin skillshots, Building, Farming, laning Warding and since they are bad and cant admit it they blame the champions easy as that

Sun Wu RyuumokuApr 1, 20181 votes

49% wr with 11% pickrate on a champ like zed isn't bad.... mainly considering tabi state. i agree with the fact Zed isn't an issue... currently. But i also agree with op, riot should think twice before blindly buff zed.

iiRebsApr 1, 20181 votes

This isn't even a big nor blind buff. They are undoing an addition that was added to the bluffs from 8.6 that nerfed his ability to trade in lane. The buff is basically putting his early game q back to where it was in 8.5. The only people who constantly complain about Zed get annoyed because they run into a one trick who has played the matchup a multitude of times and then wonder how they got the shit slapped out of them.