As a Shyvana player, I'm kinda jealous after seeing Xin's mini-rework :/

Raxistaicho·Sep 12, 2017·13 votes·729 views

Shyvana got the first of these mini-reworks and the "quality" behind it shows :(

Xin's has so much more care behind his.

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Eternal TormentSep 13, 20175 votes

Xin's has so much more care behind his.

W is a literal ad scaling sejuani W copypaste

BlitzidiousSep 13, 20172 votes

I'd rather take a "copypaste" over a really shitty passive.

Eternal TormentSep 13, 20174 votes

The point was Xin's mini rework doesn't have as much originality and passion behind it as the OP assumes.

i swear, some people and their onesided hating

The Yetii RiderSep 13, 20173 votes

He becomes immune to ranged damage during his ultimate. He creates a zone around him where he can duel one target in the middle of the team fight.

That's freaking insane.

RaxistaichoSep 13, 20171 votes

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W is a literal ad scaling sejuani W copypaste

Yeah, that's a massive wtf on Riot's part, I have to admit.

Eternal TormentSep 13, 20172 votes

Honestly, as much as i like xin's changes most of it is just placing his kits parts on other parts.

He still does this one Thing he used to before. he dives hard, solo kills the adc he camped in earlygame, snowballs out of control if he gets fed (and he will considering his free sustain as a jungler and his diehard ganks)

As far as i am concerned xin and shyv are on the same page. they had changes that didn't really change anything.

only difference is shyv's differences were made much more specific on objectives.

CalabokSep 13, 20173 votes

nothing is wrong with Shyvana tho..

PrinceOfStormsSep 13, 20171 votes

Aside from the fact that she doesn't really do anything, and was turned into a "win more" champion due to how it interacts with Dragon.

Kirius DarkSep 13, 20173 votes

{quoted} As a Shyvana player

I'm sure that claim holds a lot of merit https://imgur.com/a/ed3PS

RaxistaichoSep 13, 20171 votes

Literally acting as if Flex means anything.

Kirius DarkSep 13, 20171 votes

No wonder you're bronze, you only see 1/3 of the screen

RaxistaichoSep 13, 20171 votes

30 and 35 games does not a sample size make. I have a job so I don't have the time to pay much more than casually.

Dark NephthysSep 13, 20171 votes

Yea I agree. The only thing Shyvana got out of her "mini-rework" was...

Shifting her extra resistances into flat HP which basically equals out and is only really considered much of a overall buff if you could get dragon control. Where if you are behind and can't maintain dragon control, its more of a nerf to her and HP is more easier to counter then having flat armor/mr.
Also due to her tank stats being put into HP instead of armor/mr, it puts more reliance on and if that item gets nerfed then that would hurt Shyv a lot more then it used to. (Kind of sounds like the Sated Devour situation..)
The 10% bonus damage to dragon which is nice but still not as useful as the 20% bonus damage on her W which I believe it was removed from her a few patches before that rework. I'd take the 20% bonus damage on W over 10% bonus dragon damage any day...and because of that her clear isn't as high as it used to be...Which is stupid since ganking junglers are now about as fast (or some might be faster) then her and she sucks at ganking...
Her E doesn't pass through champions any more...This one might of been a more personal thing as I'd play her Top lane more then Jungle and this hurts her laning more than her jungle. I guess in a jungle stand point, this won't effect her unless maybe using it like that when ganking bot lane or a 2v2 fight with the enemy jungler + top/mid etc.
Unstoppable during the dash of her Ultimate. This one was great and I felt there was no real negatives to this one. I believe they did reduce the base damage of the ult for it, not sure if I rem that correctly but if so, then I'd rather trade some base stats on the ult for it being unstoppable.

Now the changes that happened to her recently like adding an AD ratio on her E, more damage on her Ult E, and higher base armor is nice and does help her out. But I do agree that the effort did look noticeably different between the 2 reworks. Now I'll forgive the boring/un-creative passive that Shyvana got since they had a whole new plan on her before that one, which was the extra passive stats based on what type of dragon you kill but they ended up scrapping it really late into the rework. So the passive to me is understandable being a bit "meh" but not all her other changes.

Only thing that she got that she NEEDED and really helped her was being unstoppable during ult's dash.