Nunu's q compined with poachers knife make him possibly the best counter jungler, but hes basically the only one that can take full advantage of it. I really like the idea of the item but its not used ever and a lot of games where i play it people call me a troll. I know the problem is that it doesnt have any advantage late game so could you please give it some kind of buff?
Renaille3 votesShyvana can use it as well. But it's still quite bad on both of them.
flibitydoo3 votes
I am pretty certain was designed to be a counter jungler.
and 
are also pretty good at counter jungling.
is also a strong counter jungler. Although he might go for chilling/dueling since he's also a strong early game duelist as well.
Budupops5 votesand 0 of those champions use poachers
FirstSergeantBim1 votesI didn't realize champion chose their player's summoner spells. You're telling me I can't pick up a Poacher's Knife on Lee Sin? Goddamn, you learn something new every day!
Durzaka3 votesYeah, and nothings stopping you from building Deathcap on Riven either. Doesnt mean it fucking works.
Poachers is bad and if you build it on Lee Sin you are very bad.
Very Hard Engage1 votespoachers would be good if it delayed respawn times, so you can plan when the camp would respawn and retake it over and over on them.
All Day Tay Tay1 voteswell, the enemy jungler doesnt know the timer, and you would cuz you would know when you killed it and they dont. increasing rewpawn timer doesnt help, and if your constantly counter jungling, it would actually hurt you
Very Hard Engage1 votes[{quoted}](name=death t200,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pALgftgw,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-04-17T21:09:16.886+0000)
well, the enemy jungler doesnt know the timer, and you would cuz you would know when you killed it and they dont. increasing rewpawn timer doesnt help, and if your constantly counter jungling, it would actually hurt you
its purpose would be, if i do it once or twice, not im completely farming out their jungle because were ahead, i would be taking the risk to deny them a smite worthy buff like raptors, which they cant have for a while.
Drunk Rummate1 votesNidalee can actually use poachers pretty well. It's not optimal because skirmishers/stalkers are both just... so much better. But she can still use poachers pretty well, she has a ton of invade potential due to vision, mobility, and her Q execute.
All Day Tay Tay1 votesand thats my problem. i meantioned that poachers has no use late game, and this is why. stalkers has very clear power late game, a ranged slow. skirmishers has use for carries. even trailblazer has power, ive seen plenty of late game junglers use it on minions in a fight for that sweet 15% heal. you ever fought a full tank that gets a 15% heal? its nuts. poachers doesnt add anything to the late game when your full build, and if you want to trade it out you have to sell the entire item including the enchant, and buy a new one. this is a problem.
Renaille1 votes[{quoted}](name=death t200,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=pALgftgw,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-04-17T21:12:05.309+0000)
and thats my problem. i meantioned that poachers has no use late game, and this is why. stalkers has very clear power late game, a ranged slow. skirmishers has use for carries. even trailblazer has power, ive seen plenty of late game junglers use it on minions in a fight for that sweet 15% heal. you ever fought a full tank that gets a 15% heal? its nuts. poachers doesnt add anything to the late game when your full build, and if you want to trade it out you have to sell the entire item including the enchant, and buy a new one. this is a problem.
Trailblazer was nerfed, lane creeps no longer give a heal.
IcyPepper1 votesHm... what if poachers knife allowed you to deal true damage with a spell to monsters (except dragon/baron perhaps) once every 8 seconds? Or maybe just monsters in the enemy jungle.
Unedible1 votesWhat if poacher's knife had a passive where killing a large jungle creep will give a small movement boost without smiting it? And instead, give the smite a massive movement boost that lasts for X amount of time.
Dreadlocks1 votesWhat if... Just IF.. After you smite the camp.. the NEXT time it spawns.. the enemy jungler gets less gold? ah? ah..? ^^;
junglerboy161 votesThe issue is Nunu is already such a good counterjungler that he just doesn't need it.
Durzaka1 votesThe problem is that the reward for Poachers is absolutely pathetic.
Nunu would rather buy chilling, and just counterjungle anyways.
Budupops1 votes
is better than 
on nunu
Penta Penguin1 votesPoacher Knife - Double the respawn time of enemy camps you smite (and then kill).
or
Poacher Knife - Increased Smite range
or
Poacher Knife - Gives you a stacking buff with extra damage against that camp / monster in the future
All Day Tay Tay1 votesi actually like the idea of increasing its range, makes it very much like a poacher. you could smite dragon over the wall, and such
CubedJustice1 votesThe problem with increasing the range, or damage of smite, is that lategame, it turns very scary.
Solidair31 votesIt's strange. I thought I read in the patch notes or SOMETHING that all tier two jungle items were going to be looked at.
But there's barely been any PBE updates...