People claimed Zed needed a buff after Bork active nerfs.

Anqvist·Aug 3, 2015·6 votes·2,139 views

Zed got 2 QoL changes (Don't say it's huge cuz it isn't) But it was enough to reduce Zed's skillcap furthermore and really just make Zed OP. Now, Zed got straight up nerfed to shit and Bork active range got buffed. Overall Riot should revert all changes done to Zed since 4.10, because that's when Zed's epitome of balance was, between 3.13, and 4.14. I just find it odd that they nerf Zed's core identity i mean now, Zed is shit and I get told not to pick him in my games (I still perform good, it's not that) I think it's dumb to remove a champions' core identity. Imagine if u could stop Vi ult with cc, or QSS it, imagine if Riven had mana, imagine if Kat didn't get resets on assist or something, imagine if Lee Sin couldn't wardjump. All these things sound very very obvious in terms of destroying a champion but I think it's true; Removing a champions' core identity isn't how you balance a game, it's how you ruin the experience. I don't want comments saying 'Zed is fine wtf r u sayin' <- Several pro players have said that Zed is dead in Platinum+ because that's where players are great at the game and being great is all that's necesary right now to fuck Zed. Hence why Bjergsen, Apdo/Dopa, Faker, Inarnati0n, Hai (sometimes plays mid in SoloQ) Dade, Pawn, Nukeduck, Febiven, Pobelter is the best Zed NA he still quit Zed after 5,9, Redmercy, Zed_With_Style (I think) Zed_Is_God... They all quit Zed... Redmery still plays Zed but not on his main and if he does it isn't in ranked. Please Riot, bring Zed back. Bring back the champion we know and love because right now Zed is no more than a shadow... of his former self.

-PoolFreak

28 Comments

SwapShadowsAug 3, 20155 votes

Zed gets nerfed because majority of players are bronze/silvers that complain about anything that can kill them.

He's balanced, in fact he has the most counters in the game considering how many basic and ultimate abilities negate his ultimate on top of all the items as well.

Don't believe me? spectate a bronze/silver playing against zed and see how many times they stay right next to his shadow, I had fun spectating these games.

J EevoAug 3, 20154 votes

"imagine if Riven had mana, imagine if Kat didn't get resets on assist or something, imagine if Lee Sin couldn't wardjump."

Imagine if Kassadin had his ult range halved

He didn't get nerfed that much, he's weak now because his items were nerfed and tank items overall were buffed, it's just a meta shift, we just have to wait for the AD item changes (Which were already announced to be in the works though only after adjustments to tank items - apparently nerfs to armor and mr buffs)

Xotraz le sageAug 3, 20151 votes

The fun thing is Lee Sin without wardjump could be balanced xD.

umbraˉAug 3, 20154 votes

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Pobelter is the best Zed NA

Bjergsen.

ArsamesAug 3, 20151 votes

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Bjergsen.

Nope, Pobelter won the Zed 1v1 tourney. Bjergsen hasn't played Zed in 3 months, he said it himself, no wonder, Zed is garbage/dead in pro play.

umbraˉAug 3, 20153 votes

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Nope, Pobelter won the Zed 1v1 tourney. Bjergsen hasn't played Zed in 3 months, he said it himself, no wonder, Zed is garbage/dead in pro play.

Except Bjergsen wasn't even in the tourney.

ArsamesAug 3, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Umbra Gemini,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p9eTxR22,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-08-03T16:37:29.205+0000)

Except Bjergsen wasn't even in the tourney.

He wasn't there because he was afraid to lose, gtfo troll.

umbraˉAug 3, 20153 votes

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He wasn't there because he was afraid to lose, gtfo troll.

No it's because he would kick the shit out of all of them. And probably because he has more important things to do like train for the LCS than waste his time on some tourney that means nothing to him when everyone already knows hes the best in NA.

ArsamesAug 3, 20151 votes

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No it's because he would kick the shit out of all of them. And probably because he has more important things to do like train for the LCS than waste his time on some tourney that means nothing to him when everyone already knows hes the best in NA.

Bjergsen is garbage, what are you talking about? TSM got rekt, Bjergsen got dumpsterd on, Fenix is better than him, Ryu is better than him, Bjergsen just overrated garbage. Fenix and Ryu are not even good, but better than Bjergsen.

umbraˉAug 3, 20152 votes

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Bjergsen is garbage, what are you talking about?

And this guy calls me the troll. Lmfao. You've made it pretty clear you hate Bjerg but he's not garbage and you know it. Ryu is on an EU team we are talking about NA so he is not important. "Overrated" if you wanna talk about overrated let's talk about Faker. As for Fenix when the assassin meta rolls back around we'll see.

ArsamesAug 3, 20151 votes

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And this guy calls me the troll. Lmfao. You've made it pretty clear you hate Bjerg but he's not garbage and you know it. Ryu is on an EU team we are talking about NA so he is not important. "Overrated" if you wanna talk about overrated let's talk about Faker. As for Fenix when the assassin meta rolls back around we'll see.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Faker overrated? Don't even compare Bjergertrash with Faker. Faker is a god, he is the best LoL player, there will probably never be another player to master the game at the level of Faker. Faker is a 99/100 bjergertrash is 20/100 at best.

umbraˉAug 3, 20151 votes

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! Faker overrated? Don't even compare Bjergertrash with Faker. Faker is a god, he is the best LoL player, there will probably never be another player to master the game at the level of Faker. Faker is a 99/100 bjergertrash is 20/100 at best.

Apdo.

ArsamesAug 4, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Umbra Gemini,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p9eTxR22,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-03T22:59:45.003+0000)

Apdo.

Faker is a better pro than Apdo, Apdo didn't join pro scene for a reason, he will lose his solo Q fame and myth.

umbraˉAug 4, 20151 votes

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Faker is a better pro than Apdo

Apdo didn't join pro scene for a reason

cause he chose to elo boost instead

he will lose his solo Q fame and myth.

ArsamesAug 4, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Umbra Gemini,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p9eTxR22,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-04T00:19:30.641+0000)

no

cause he chose to elo boost instead

no

Yes, even Apdo himself admitted Faker is better than him. Stop crying nerd, just deal with it, Faker is the best player in LoL, he is a legend, at a level nobody else has.

umbraˉAug 4, 20151 votes

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Yes, even Apdo himself admitted Faker is better than him. Stop crying nerd, just deal with it, Faker is the best player in LoL, he is a legend, at a level nobody else has.

Except he isn't Dopa can play every role almost as good as he can play mid which Faker cannot yet he can still stand toe-to-toe to Faker. Dade is also better than Faker as well. Stop dick riding him so hard.

ArsamesAug 4, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Umbra Gemini,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=p9eTxR22,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-04T01:48:00.819+0000)

Except he isn't Dopa can play every role almost as good as he can play mid which Faker cannot yet he can still stand toe-to-toe to Faker. Dade is also better than Faker as well. Stop dick riding him so hard.

Faker can play every role at the highest level, he gets mid because he is the best mid laner in the world you delusional donkey. Dade is not better than Faker, nobody is better than Faker, some players might outperform him on 1 champ, but in total, Faker is the best player this game has seen and ever will see.

This is a fact, your opinion doesn't matter, stats > you. Stay mad, Faker = god of LoL.

umbraˉAug 4, 20151 votes

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Faker can play every role at the highest level, he gets mid because he is the best mid laner in the world

No he cannot

Dade is not better than Faker, nobody is better than Faker,

Dade beat Faker's ass. Dade and Apdo are better than him. Faker also got his ass kicked by Febiven and Pawn. You're the biggest sheep of Faker I know.

Faker is the best player this game has seen and ever will see.

Lmfao.

This is a fact

No it is not it is your opinion.

DownrunAug 3, 20154 votes

I think Zed is on the edge between being viable, but not necessarily strong, and weak. Riot will probably wait for these itemization changes before doing anything to see just how much they affect Zed.

ArsamesAug 3, 20153 votes

Yep, R cd timer ruined him, his fun factor dropped, his outplay potential dropped, he literally became useless/dead in pro play, all pro zed players quit him.

RIP Zed

SaltyKrackaAug 3, 20153 votes

"Imagine if Vi ult could be canceled by QSS"

It's already countered by Zhonya's, dipshit.

Also jesus crap QSS really doesn't counter Zed Ult. It's still a targeted gapclose that ends with him right up in a squishy's face. Not being able to 100-0 them twice over and lol all the way back the base in a fraction of a second is not being countered.

SwapShadowsAug 3, 20154 votes

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"Imagine if Vi ult could be canceled by QSS"

It's already countered by Zhonya's, dipshit.

Also jesus crap QSS really doesn't counter Zed Ult. It's still a targeted gapclose that ends with him right up in a squishy's face. Not being able to 100-0 them twice over and lol all the way back the base in a fraction of a second is not being countered.

Did you just say negating a ultimate that potentially does near 40-50% of your hp is not a counter?

Please stay away from G&B

MatezoideAug 3, 20152 votes

Man, wasting 1250 gold on a MR item to deal with an AD Assassin! What a great counter!

umbraˉAug 3, 20156 votes

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Man, wasting 1250 gold on a MR item to deal with an AD Assassin! What a great counter!

Or you know you could like buy Seeker's.

SwapShadowsAug 3, 20154 votes

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Man, wasting 1250 gold on a MR item to deal with an AD Assassin! What a great counter!

You don't buy a QSS for the MR...you buy it to negate powerful spells so you live.

Stay away from G&B

AMYS GRAVEAug 3, 20152 votes

He doesn't get the gapcloser? He doesn't get the added mobility of running away when he feels like it? He doesn't get to force you into buying a 1250 gold item that you have to save just for him? Sounds like it wasn't even fully countered.

Please stay away from G&B

bluefrosstAug 3, 20151 votes

The circlejerk on this forum is insane. Riot should just stop listening to anyone in Bronze. Bronze players know absolutely nothing about this game and they just bitch at anything that requires an iota of thinking/counterplay.