Save Gangplank's Barrel from ultimate nerf

I Eat Thyroids·12/12/2015, 12:20:37 AM·37 votes·3,285 views

Riot please don't make GP's barrel's penetrate bonus armor. The barrels aren't supposed to be tank busters and it would take out a huge chunk of the satisfaction of successfully getting them off on somebody. decrease the range or the ratio, increase the arm time, but don't make it penetrate only bonus armor, that's not just a nerf as much as it is a huge strategy change for what the barrel can even be used for.

50 Comments

charcharmunro12/12/2015, 12:53:31 AM13 votes

I dunno why they're even nerfing him. He didn't seem all that oppressive after they made his Q and health less good.

Clockwork Mouse12/12/2015, 4:41:02 AM7 votes

How to beat top lane GP now. Do not build armor, just stack HP. His most deadly ability is gone.

ZephyrDrake12/12/2015, 5:12:09 PM4 votes

yeah, because it's fun to lose over half of your health from a single barrel

BioticBrony12/12/2015, 8:47:04 AM4 votes

The main thing about it being bonus armor is the same thing about old last whisperer. Have the 40% armor pen allowed him to just decimate with barrels against squishies and tanks alike. With this, it allows people who don't build armor much to not take a lot of damage off a critical hit barrel but still take damage. Also it is a buff in ways that if a squishy tries build some armor then he can just bypass a good bit of it.

ModAcademy Kayn12/12/2015, 7:14:00 AM3 votes

It's really not that hard to put a barrel in the bush and throw a barrel under someone. Plus, it decimates squishies, making good at both tanks and squishies.

elon wątroba12/12/2015, 1:43:38 PM3 votes

He should be gutted and left in basement to rot - ex gp main.

Irelia Bot12/12/2015, 3:31:43 AM3 votes

basically they are making it more in line with all the other % armor pen in the game.

Don't like it? buy some flat armor pen.

TotalJerk12/12/2015, 6:53:56 PM3 votes

Gangplanks Barrels were always dumb, though. I used to build bruiser and still chunk the shit out of people with them.

NeuroosiKettu12/12/2015, 7:51:17 PM3 votes

Firstly I want to say that GP is not so broken as he looks like. It takes a lot of time learning his playstyle and as a GP main i still sometimes need to practice in custom games the combos and the timing when to shoot barrels. Well, ofcourse GP has problems but not only for his opponents but also for the player who's playing him.

In my opinion the only thing Riot should ever have touched is the barrels. Well, they have tried to nerf them but with the wrong methods. Back ago, in patch 5.17 they added the 0.25 second cast time on barrels which made it impossible to do some of the wombo combos with them as you can't place barrels so quickly anymore. This makes things clunky for skilled GP players and isn't the right way how to balance Gangplank. Powder Keg bonus dmg reduction in patch 5.18 is what Riot should have kept doing. They could even have removed the whole bonus dmg as an AoE crit is enough to keep him relevant. I don't even understand why they had to put that bonus there when they made his rework. Then in 5.21 came the Parrrley and base HP nerfs... Doesn't Riot understand that his barrels are the problem because people can't play against it (either it's undodgeable or people are too lazy to try disarm it...). Another thing why patch 5.21 nerfs were bad is that it doesn't affect good GP players. Myself I eliminate the mana problems by starting with Mana Sapphire and the HP reduction by never fighting my opponent (ofcourse, I sometimes use barrels for poking). Riot made GP's laning pure afk farming.

So what is the way to nerf GP? Simply make it easier to dodge the barrels by increasing the time between linked barrel explosions. This was already mentioned in an another thread when patch 5.17 came out.

Summary:

Buffs:

Remove cast time on Powder Keg (so GP players can use their skills once again)
Revert Parrrley & base HP nerf

Nerfs:

Remove bonus dmg to champions on Powder Keg
Increase time between linked barrel explosions (to make them easier to dodge)

Possible Powder Keg armor penetration adjustements could be made if they are needed.

3TWarrior12/13/2015, 7:39:23 AM2 votes

umm, you realize that he already hits as hard as a carry against the armorless? effectively this would decrease his immense damage potential against a squishy opponent but keep his damage against tanks the same

people say the lcs still picked or banned him after his former nerfs

Spoofghoul12/12/2015, 12:35:54 PM2 votes

Really don't understand this Rito logic

If its good vs tanks its usually better vs squishies if we are talking dmg

I mean tanks specifically build to withstand damage so why on earth shgould someone who does not build defensive be stronger vs damaging spells and attacks then someone who does ??? like wtf

Dryad Soraka12/13/2015, 2:07:32 AM2 votes

The armor pen on it just needs to be removed completely, these things are broken.

Ryùuzaki12/12/2015, 2:40:34 PM2 votes

Yeah riot forget about TahmKench DrMundo Illaoi and overnerf our poor Gangplank ...

SaltyKracka12/12/2015, 7:20:27 AM2 votes

Frankly, I'd rather they just deleted the move speed boost popping barrels gives him.

Ironpawnd12/13/2015, 6:12:42 AM2 votes

To be honest, Gangplank shouldn't be nerfed. He is actually really hard to play, considering most of your damage comes from your barrels. It's hard to chain and land them correctly but if you do its very rewarding. Unfortunately, whenever I land a barrel and chunk their health, everyone complains and says he needs a nerf, and Riot decides to nerf him. If GP gets behind, he is just as useless as a Nasus who can't get stacks. I feel like Gangplank is a somewhat high risk high reward champion and Riot should leave him where he is.

FantasySniper12/13/2015, 1:55:53 AM2 votes

I don't mind.

His barrel can crit for over 1200 damage in a single instance, and that's a death sentence for like half of the champion pool. If he drops his ultimate on them right after, they're easy prey.

ModKnightsKemplar12/13/2015, 12:48:47 AM1 votes

I have thought since I saw him in the LCS those damn barrels were too strong. They have completely taken over his kit, and I am in super favor of nerfing them, if only to be able to play GP without being forced to play the barrel mini-game (that I find so very unenjoyable).

Gigahappytown12/12/2015, 5:17:03 PM1 votes

IF they are changing it to bonus armor pen revert the base damage nerf and increase it 300 at max rank.

Pale Pirate12/12/2015, 4:55:54 PM1 votes

imho they should just make his barrels more unreliable to land, so they will require some major outplay, a barrel behind a wall or teamfight wombo combos. This is what they should have done from the start. The barrel's problem is not their damage, it is that you land them so easily.