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People are acting like xin is post rework skarner op

Rinky Dinky·2/13/2016, 9:08:32 PM·10 votes·1,792 views

Champion.gg - Xin Zhao Jungle Stats, Builds, Runes, Masteries and Counters

People aren't even trying to discuss the champion. It is all just a bunch of anti riot circle jerk.

Before you make a rage/circlejerk post regarding xin, consider the following:

Really? A xin just 1v5'd? Wanna provide a replay? The Elo? How fed was xin? What was your and the enemy team comp? What items did you have? Did you properly CC him? Did you ignore him? Did you walk in one at a time, expecting him to let you kill him? Does walking in 1 after another really count as "1v5"? Did you position properly? Have you even played against a xin? have you even played league recently? Are you basing your entire opinion off of youtube/reddit videos?

Answer all of the above questions, and you will see this is a circlejerk. Nothing more. Is xin overtuned? Probably. Is he a gamebreaking free win? No lol

Its the same thing with . The item, statistically speaking, is mediocre. It is not breaking any champs. No one who builds it, minus , is breaking games.

15 Comments

Glory to God2/13/2016, 9:36:30 PM5 votes

The buffs didn't cover any of his real weaknesses, he got buffed where he already was good at.

Abyssphere2/13/2016, 9:59:37 PM4 votes

"Really? A xin just 1v5'd? Wanna provide a replay? The Elo? How fed was xin? What was your and the enemy team comp? What items did you have? Did you properly CC him? Did you ignore him? Did you walk in one at a time, expecting him to let you kill him? Does walking in 1 after another really count as "1v5"? Did you position properly? Have you even played against a xin? have you even played league recently? Are you basing your entire opinion off of youtube/reddit videos?"

Nobody is going to write a dissertation about a single team fight so that they can be allowed to post a thread on the boards. If a champion is getting 1v5s or quadras/pentas easily then that's very likely a problem no matter how badly the fight was played by his enemy - most champions don't 1v5 just because people didn't adequately CC them.

I was watching a friend playing a game earlier where the Xin on his team was 2/6/5 before the fight, had Sated + tank items and got a quadra in a 4v5 (his Lulu mid wasn't there). He was against Rammus, Alistar, Cho, Draven and Kassadin. I didn't rewatch the fight ten different times, nor do I know precisely what items people had at the time, so I can't say if Rammus focused him enough, if Draven kited him well enough or if Cho missed his Rupture. What I can say is that a 2/6 tank generally doesn't walk out of a 4v5 team fight with a quadra.

Xin's stats are insane for champion.gg by the way. If he's doing well enough to be one of the best (even if not the best) junglers in Plat+ then he is absolutely retarded the further down you go from there. He is a champion with a permanently inflated low ELO win rate because people who play him are at an instant advantage compared to people who play champions with relevant mastery curves. If he's performing as strongly as he is on champion.gg then you know he needs gutting.

p.s. I've not made a single post complaining about Xin Zhao up until this point, nor have I lost a game to him. But people absolutely have the right to call him broken, because he is.

Craft Zeppelin2/13/2016, 10:23:51 PM3 votes

And well...skarner was able to start in the enemy jungle buff. Kill the opposing jungler, get ignited by the midlaner, kills the midlaner, gets drag on the way home and then gank bot,

people tend to forget stuff. xin is hardly that broken now.

Craft Zeppelin2/13/2016, 9:17:09 PM2 votes

Actually, now that you say it you are right. I always thought it was wierd people are complaining about his ability to kill you in the early game even if you blew flash. Thats the thing he does really.

Tohob2/13/2016, 9:30:22 PM2 votes

XinZhao is pretty strong now. before the buff he was underperforming despite being a perfect match for the currently very complained-about item 3931 item 3124 combo, but people are acting like he now heals more than DrMundo and crits harder than crit runes Gangplank when in reality the AD scaling on his heal is minimal at best and the crit is just another 3-hit auto attack buff that also uses up his crit, meaning that it can't crit on top of dealing it's additional damage. It doesn't even deal as much damage as a true crit and people are acting like he starts the game with item 3031

MunchCrunchLunch2/13/2016, 9:40:30 PM2 votes

i don't think his buff is gamebreaking. its a significant buff. but honestly. its not a big jump in his power as devoure users like jax yi warwick shyvanna are better than him imo. he has good ganks. but thats about it i feel like. his damage output is low. the crit isn't A BIG damage buff as he doesn't build a lot of ad. he goes tank. most of the damage is still coming from devoure and rageblade. his winrate will prolly jump by like 1-2%.

a champion like Graves and honestly even Corki are breaking the game right now. might as well add Lucian that graves nerf was nothing. his scalings are quite high. he already 2 shots a squishie. i doubt 60 damage or so is a big deal in the grand scheme of things

AscendedxBlade2/13/2016, 10:23:15 PM1 votes

hes not op i keep seeing him but seems to be ok if you people want to bitch bitch about the duskblade assasins shouldent one shot tanks

galdamesh2/13/2016, 10:38:28 PM1 votes

so his play rate went up %12 and his win rate went up %4.

usually when play rates spike win rates stay level or dip initially.

champion gg. just updated there 6.3 data a few days again.

%43 of people have played 1-5 games and his win-rate went up.

his new builds are extremely varied and the "optimum" build path is still unknown and his win-rate went up... so it actually seems like he has gotten a pretty big boost in winrate considering all the things going on which should be dropping it

Malix Farwin2/13/2016, 11:46:58 PM1 votes

The discussion was before the patch went through. People literally called this weeks prior and they did it anyways.