You cannot honestly be planning to remove dfg without buffing these champions in the same patch can you?
Mordekaiser and veig just recently started seeing some play in the lks... this is a real kick in the balls to not give these champs some sort of compensation for a core item being removed.
Arch Mage Magnus46 votesMordekaiser is dead to Riot. Veiger is on life support at the moment.
Pyro12 votesMordekaiser is dead to Riot.
Serious question: am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of a giant metal dude building as a mage and becoming de facto an assassin?
Personally I'd rather see the Master of Metal become the most armored tank there is.
Hard Penetrator18 votesOh god, you reminded me s1 MORDE, that after getting certain amount of farm he proceed to destroy every living thing on summoners rift.
ChrisB511 votesHow can you say this about Veigar? Between his cc gate and one hit burst to other mages, he's far from on life support. The real problem here is they need to stop saying who they're going to compensate, and re-buff mana regen. Problem solved. You can't nerf mana AND remove what was essentially a damage amplifier for mages.... then not touch mana-less assassins like Zed and Yasuo, followed by releasing more non-mana champions. It's as if they're planning to slowly eliminate mana from the game. Not sure if I should be expecting reworks for this or if mana champs are just dead to Riot right now... who knows.
As for Morde... he can be pretty strong with the right team, but has to snowball it seems. I could be wrong, but he seems like he has a slow start but can pick up and snowball quick if he gets the chance, esp. with that shield of his. I don't have too much experience with him though so please don't hold my words against me here lol.
Junkο19 votesAfter seeing Ahri, Fizz and Annie changes i rather have them NOT touch Veigar.
-Veigar main
Rinky Dinky11 votesThose changes were not bad like everyone says they were,
Fizz will be more healthy, Annie's change is nice, but she is gonna need something extra.
Ahri went back to being a kite mage, which is what she is meant to be. The people playing on the pbe have all pretty much agreed that Ahri's new playstyle is very effective.
Katarina's are gonna need some number tweaks.
Veig and Morde are going to NEED some kind of change or buff.
Junkο10 votesI agree Fizz will be more healthy.
Ahri being a kite mage wouldn't be a problem, if they didn't remove all of her damage to try to force people into it.
Also note that people on PBE let Azir be released with a shit ton of bugs, and WAY back allowed Zyra and the like to be released in absolutely broken state by saying they are perfectly fine.
Borbland3 votesZyra was slightly overpowered, not really much, her first nerf actually made her underplayed, then they gutted her by consecutive nerfs.
And it's normal Ahri has less damage now, she would be OP else.
RiotRiot Sweet19 votesVeigar and Mordekaiser get a shoutout in the 5.2 patch notes, up now.
Budupops4 votesno promises= no buffs?
Stevev4520 votes"...but some of our larger projects (Veigar, Katarina, Mordekaiser) have to wait until 5.3."
"Larger projects" is code for being turned into different champions.
lDontLiftIcarry2 votesor gutted by rito gaymes RIP katarina. Rework removed depth. Every nerf after removed viability.
"this rework will make your champ easier trust me!" What I was told for kat+eve rework. here we are. Gutted.
KwangoTango5 votes[deleted]
lDontLiftIcarry1 votesWinning a special olympics race in silver doesn't really tell me much about a champions balance. Maybe you're too slow to realize riots nerfing champions that don't have a flashy playstyle and are "simplier" by nature because they're older champions.
Maybe you're just a new player who doesn't really understand whats happening and is focused on X champion instead of the bigger picture and how they're shaping the meta to make more sales at the big games with flashier champions to show off.
KwangoTango1 votes[deleted]
lDontLiftIcarry1 votesthen you realize one of the top 10 kat players in the world has a halfa page post on reddit about katarina and why the nerfs are unjustified and what changes ruined her etc
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2t0e77/response_to_tentative_katarina_changes/
Silly little cutie trolls think they know anything.
KwangoTango3 votes[deleted]
chumbler2 votesLet's look closer.
otherwise known as
Kat Main
Of course they don't want their favorite champion nerfed. I doubt that release Xin/Riven/Leblanc wanted their mains to be nerfed. Thing is, the rest of the community disagreed- and the people hath spoken, they were nerfed. Besides, the changes were tentative and are confirmed not coming to live. Just because you are a Kat main on your main doesn't mean that she doesn't need nerfing.
tl;dr "I play fizz, therefore he needs buffs, the nerfs were unjustified on an already gutted champion, q.q"
Oh do tell, if people who don't play a champion can't call out shit changes for what they are, people who occasionally play a champion can't call out shit changes for what they are, and people who main a champion can't call out shit changes for what they are, then who can?
CupcakeTrap9 votes"...but some of our larger projects (Veigar, Katarina, Mordekaiser) have to wait until 5.3."
"Larger projects" is code for being turned into different champions.
This is my fear as well.
A Tall Joke2 votesIsn't it a bit weird that the ranked season starts and a major balance change is pushed through but half the champions that need compensation don't receive it?
I'm not making any statement as to whether or not the removal was a good idea, just as to whether or not the compensatory buffs would be nice to have in the first place.
Rinky Dinky3 votesAwesome!
Thats good to know.
As long as we Have some Idea of what is going on, I'm fine.
Thanks for responding!
Matezoide17 votesRANGE: 700 COST: 24 / 36 / 48 / 60 / 72 HEALTH COOLDOWN: 6
ACTIVE: Mordekaiser afflicts all enemies in a cone in front of him, dealing magic damage. MAGIC DAMAGE: 70 / 115 / 160 / 205 / 250 (+ 60% AP)
OH NO GUYZ THEY CANT BUFF THIS IMMOBILE CC-LESS MAGE LOOK HOW OVERWHELMING HIS ONE RELIABLE SPELL IS
BulletMario5 votesThe "CC-Less" part is enough to not make me want to play mord. They could at least add a slow on his combo, maybe people will finally be able to use his auto attack after hitting something.
and it sucks, because i really like the penta-kill team.
Ardond2 votesI am fine with no cc, what I am not ok with is the low movement speed. he can't roam around the map and he can't help but push lane, so once the lane is pushed he is hosed on what to do. His whole laning phase is "Push, wait, get 1200g, back, push, wait, rinse and repeat" it makes it kind of dull to be honest. In addition I think it would give mord the buff he needs as he could just roam bot or top and get super fed, and a fed mord with out dfg is still strong as hell.
MonstergirlsUwU2 votesyea thats kinda how the hue man is push/farm go back buy as is but i do agree that he needs something is his kit to make him even slightly more "viable" to play,for example have his w cast-able on enemy champions to slow them and shred resistances while keeping the self cast buff that would be a great quality of life buff for him
Meep Man12 votesMordekaiser is gonna be a little screwed this patch. Veigar is going to have a lot harder time but will live.
Rinky Dinky3 votesYes, the utility on his stun will keep him alive, but he wont be that good mid anymore. He will pretty much be shoe-horned into a niche ap-carry supp role.
Morde needs something for him to be even remotely viable. I have tried different builds with him, and without dfg, he just sucks.
Stars Shaper11 votesThis could fix it.
Rinky Dinky2 votesHonestly, thats a really good idea. CC'ing morde so he cant vamp up and shield up is the best way to deal with him.
And It wouldnt be TOO bad because he could still be knocked up.
I think he could also use a movement speed buff. He has no gapcloser in any way shape or form, and he is FAR too slow for how short ranged he is while having no cc
Stars Shaper1 votesActually I would believe that this thing can be OP since it could make him able to reach 100% tenacity with items xD
Anyway, my idea was to give him something that says "I might be slow but I'm coming for you and there is nothing you can do" or anything in the lines of the unavoidable death Juggernout.
I think that this fits the role Mordekaisers has far more than giving him pesky gap closers.
junglerboy162 votesthey don't have to give him a huge amount, like every 1% shield=0.25% tenacity. Irelia has a tenacity passive that gives up to 40%, and combined with items and masteries can get up to 90% (15+35+40), and is still considered roughly balanced, so giving morde a little bit for his shield (which almost never stays full because it drains at 3% per second without even considering taking damage) wouldn't be that bad.
Yets42403 votesActually it's a lot less than 90.
15% + 35% of 85% + 40% of (85-(35% 0f 85%) is the actual calculation, due to them stacking multiplicatively.
15% + 29.75% + 22.1% or a total of 66.85% tenacity.
Auryiel8 votesMordekaiser doesn't exist for Riot
Sooko8 votesVeigar is already struggling with all the mobile AD assassins like Yasuo, Zed and Riven every game, and the few APs he catches are Fizz and Katarina. DFG gone without buffs will kill him for sure (temporarily)
Mordekaiser got killed by the mobility meta reinforced by every new champion that is released with 50 dashes more than the last, and needs either CC or mobility because he lacks initiation or escape. All he has is that buff which now any Pen item can ignore very easily, and his exceptional waveclear. I don't know how they can balance any utility/mobility with his shield and manalessness though, but he needs serious help, because even in the top lane he struggles to do much.
Space Bum2 votesI save Mord for the unlikely event that someone first picks GP. It's freelo all day.
CaptnJakSparrow8 votesDon't ask for a compensation. They'll just do what they did to Kat and Ahri. Morde will become pure hybrid, remove ratio on his R, give him a move speed buff instead of armor and mr on his W, and then make his Q a skill shot with an ad ratio only, and may, or may not apply a slow. But they will leave W as Ap, and make his E Ad + AP with lower ratios on both. -riot balance-
ZerglingOne7 votesI don't want them touching veigar. I don't care if they remove DFG from his rotation because that puts attention on the longest aoe hard CC in the game. In other words, veigar will be actually nerfed instead of just theoretically like he is currently "Veigar's event horizon now only lasts 1.5 seconds at max rank but increases his damage by xx% for the duration! Hope you don't plan on landing dark matter ever again!"
PalCorg5 votesWhile I hope they get compensation as well, they're both champs which I don't blame riot for being cautious about, as even though they obviously aren't the best, they have some... dubious parts of their kit. Veiger's got his instant stun antimage factors and Morde's got his press e to shield & bully. I respect people who enjoy veiger and love playing Morde myself, but I understand why Riot's takin' it slow with their older champ designs. Hopefully they both get some attention in general sooner then later, though.
Solidair33 votesMy biggest concern is that just straight up giving veigar more damage is probably not the way to go, he can be pretty overwhelming when he's ahead as it is. I wonder if they plan on giving him a mini rework and that's why he's not being changed in this patch...
If that isn't the reason, there's almost no excuse. They'really rolling this patch out without replacing DFG which is a huge reduction to high burst mages as it is.
Rinky Dinky4 votesI agree, but he needs something. He will be very weak this patch without dfg.
It just astounds me that that these two champions, whom are posterboy's for dfg are not getting anything.
Skystrike72 votesGaren isn't getting compensation buffs either. Rito plz.
Acidic Puddle2 votesHere is some good compensation for 
, just take him out of the game. Pls and thank you!
SwordGrunt11 votes[{quoted}](name=Acidic Puddle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tw2MuAsa,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-01-27T17:08:16.276+0000)
Here is some good compensation for
You think is toxic or something?
Acidic Puddle1 votesHow do you win lane against Morde?
Cards and Dice7 votes[{quoted}](name=Acidic Puddle,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tw2MuAsa,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-27T20:56:29.426+0000)
How do you win lane against Morde?
Oh, that's easy. HIT HIM FIRST. STAND AWAY FROM THE MINIONS SO THAT HE HAS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN FARMING AND HITTING YOU. POKE HIM TO HELL.
Seriously, DPS is his worst nightmare when it comes to his laning. Although his pushing potential is his greatest strength, he has to chunk himself early on to do so. Therefore, poking him with ranged damage repeatedly will make sure he can't use his abilities as well, because his shield SUCKS early. A passive player will always find himself screwed against him, but AN AGGRESSIVE ONE WILL DESTROY HIM IN LANE.
I remember the times I played as him and lost so badly to the aggressive Ezreal and Malzahar mids... shudder
SpecterVonBaren2 votes[{quoted}](name=Cards and Dice,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tw2MuAsa,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2015-01-27T21:12:36.584+0000)
Oh, that's easy. HIT HIM FIRST. STAND AWAY FROM THE MINIONS SO THAT HE HAS TO CHOOSE BETWEEN FARMING AND HITTING YOU. POKE HIM TO HELL.
Seriously, DPS is his worst nightmare when it comes to his laning. Although his pushing potential is his greatest strength, he has to chunk himself early on to do so. Therefore, poking him with ranged damage repeatedly will make sure he can't use his abilities as well, because his shield SUCKS early. A passive player will always find himself screwed against him, but AN AGGRESSIVE ONE WILL DESTROY HIM IN LANE.
I remember the times I played as him and lost so badly to the aggressive Ezreal and Malzahar mids... shudder
So now we need to either play a marksman or Kayle to do this since mana regen is borked.
Cards and Dice2 votesSo now we need to either play a marksman or Kayle to do this since mana regen is borked.
Autoattacks do fine as well. Yeah, ranged mage autoattacks don't look that powerful, but when applied repeatedly while not taking damage, it adds up against Morde's shield, leaving him open to spell damage.
That said, I hate the mana regen nerfs, too.
chipi992 votesProbably next patch..... Or two.
ArkenStorm1 votescoming in 5.3 did you read the patch notes? it said that there.
Sukishoo3 votesYou realize this was posted BEFORE the patch notes, or did YOU not read that? ;)