EDIT:

Here's the video transcript: - Sorry if my voice is too much to listen to for almost 40 mins. I go a bit further in depth into things within the post.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuW59Vl2428

No TL;DR, because all of it is important and you should learn these things IF you feel like you have the worst experience with jungle players as a lane player.

Disclaimer: I know this is kind of a rant, but at the same time I tried to keep it educational. I can't be teaching people all of this in team chat because it simply comes across as being "toxic" unfortunately and it gets very frustrating to keep repeating the same things every game.

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So I've finally been able to get a better hang of the new jungling. Swapping out some of my offensive runes into more sustain/survivability ones and mainly picking that trail blazer for the best survibability. Clearing it and knowing my limits with w/e champ i pick all nicely BUT, I'm having the worst experience with laners.

Here is a list of common issues that have been the same for ever:

• people don't ward.

  • IF they ward AND see the enemy jungler (wait for it...) THEY STILL OVER EXTEND.

• People over extending.

  • Even if they were just ganked a second ago, they think "oh the gank is over, the jungler won't come right back" <-- apparently this is logical.

• They ask for ganks but they don't keep track of minion waves.

  • What I mean by this, there's about 8 - 15 enemy minions and 1 wave inc, only 3 of our minions left and 1 wave incoming. For those who dont know - EVEN IF the enemy is over extending this is NOT a favorable situation to gank in.

• They do horrible in lane and expect you (key word expect, as in, IT'S YOUR JOB) to clean up after them. I'll elaborate with some examples:

  • They get counter-picked, in lane and still play like they're the one's who counter-picked their opponents. They play extremely aggressive and fail/feed.

  • They get poked down heavily (any mid vs ziggs for example but it happens with a lot of champs) and stay in lane and die right under turret.

  • They're at 20% health, their lane opponent is completely healthy but they ask for a gank right there and then when they don't have the capability to do the damage needed nor survive whatever the enemy throws at them.

  • They screwed up (it happens to the best of us) and do not play accordingly. For example:

    • They don't itemize properly (Ninja tabi's + sunfire cape vs a vladimir or ryze top or build MR vs a wukong)
    • They don't wait for you to come by for a gank.
    • They keep building FULL AD/AP and no defensive items
    • They don't buy potions

  • They're not aware how the new jungle works:

    • XP is much lower.
    • Jungle creeps hit like a truck.
    • Respawn timers are much longer.
    • Red and Blue buffs don't last as long as they used to.
    • It's much harder to catch up if you fall behind as a jungler. I can't tell you how many times mid or top are level 5-6 when I try to gank and I'm only level 3-4 due to having to go B right after the third camp.

  • THE DRAGON IS SUPER IMPORTANT NOW, IF YOUR JUNGLER IS NOT CALLING FOR THE TEAM TO GO DO DRAGON, TELL HIM, WE HAVE TO DO DRAGON!

    • The dragon buff(s) can now turn the tables easily with the bonus damage/MS and pushing power it can give.
    • Keep track of it's timer and call it out 1 min before respawn if at all possible.
    • When your jungler calls for team to do dragon - GO HELP HIM! Unless he/she has superb sustain, they cannot solo it even at high levels!
    • When I say go help him, I don't mean 1 or 2 people, I mean ALL 5 if at all possible. Don't let your team leash for your enemy team. Losing dragon and giving up a couple of kills in the process will lose the game.

BEST TIPS I CAN GIVE YOU FOR YOU TO DO AS A LANER IF YOU WANT GANKS: Also, some jungler's dont even know these things. (These should be common knowledge but from my experience, they're not)

1 **Try to poke the enemy down while avoiding damage. **

• Rule of thumb/indicator should be potions left in the inventory. If you've made them use their pots and you've barely used yours, you have lane advantage.
  • If you're countered in lane and have the advantage, but don't feel like you can still take the kill, then set up for and ask for a gank.
• How to poke EFFICIENTLY
  • (mentioned in #2) Keep enemy minion waves smaller than yours.
  • Punish your enemy when he/she tries to last hit.
  • Exploit bad positioning. (Example: MAKE SURE YOUR BUSH IS WARDED BEFORE DOING THIS - You see the enemy going to ward that bush, get a couple of hits in and step back.

2 Set up for a gank (c'mon man, at least throw me a bone) HOW TO SET UP FOR A GANK:

• follow #1 by poking down w/o taking a lot of damage.
• Don't over extend.
• Get your lane opponent to over extend.
• Try to keep enemy minion waves smaller than yours. This may also help you survive ganks and a lot more than often results on you winning a 2v1.
• IF you feel like you can pull off a "play" try and bait your opponent to screw up. I know there's a very fine line between baiting and being a retard, but if it works, it works #wurf

I hope this helps.

Please comment as a jungler what your experience has been. I've had some good games I won't lie but at the same time, I see the same things over and over in my bad ones. I'm at a point where I don't want to jungle anymore for a long while until people get their act together. Solo queue only keeps getting harder and harder to solo carry even if you're fed.

Please comment as a laner and what your experience with junglers has been like. Tell us how we can do better for you.