I think the boards need to stop complaining about adcs.

Rivuo··3 votes·693 views

The only adc that is problematic to me imo is vayne and jinx. The rest are ''average'' now and Riot did a good job of making other lanes factor in winning now.

  • Assassin meta brings back tanks which made adcs only excel at mid to late game ( late game more than anything )

  • Fervor nerfed. No more extra 100 damage per auto. Cant stack on skills

-No more black cleaver or ghostblade renders combat adcs ( Lucian and MF ) extremely weaker in areas where they are supposed to be strong.

Lucian is a close range adc, ghostblade for the movement speed and black cleaver for the health + phage made him work the way he did.

You can literally face tank MF and Lucian ults now if you have a cloth armor.

-Courage of the collesus literally renders adcs useless for a good chunk early to mid game. That mastery is beyond belief excessive in terms of shielding.

Is this complaining? No. It can be a good thing that other lanes have more presence in the game now,

But seeing people actually fucking complain about adcs.... Lol thats a joke, i just got done watching a varus hit a maokai for 60 autos, lord dom came through boom autos are now at 125. Cant buy crit chance because you had to rush a lord dom.

Sincerely - A top main

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Sahn Uzal2 votes

You... Do not rush Lord Domniks Regards; it scales off damage dealt. Buying it before crit wont provide Varus with jack shit.

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Tidal Tyrant,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ouzeWPKX,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-11-17T17:57:12.575+0000)

You... Do not rush Lord Domniks Regards; it scales off damage dealt. Buying it before crit wont provide Varus with jack shit.

Nobody said lord dom was rushed..

ViiLLAiN2 votes

Maokai IS way to tanmky right now no amount of items can deal with him unless u are Vayne

Joman7671 votes

I see what you mean in this thread and i dont really know why people complain about adcs for dealing too much damage late game. Its literally the only thing most of them can do.

Spârky1 votes

I agree with you the only adc i can see that's deserved to complain about is Vayne but i feel like the only thing that needs to happen with vayne is she needs to not be able to abuse item 3147 and maybe nerf her early q dmg a bit then she will be fine. But once lane bullies like lucian come back into meta she will be reigned in a lot. I think mainly other adc's need to be buffed so they can deal with vayne other than that this constant complaining is so dumb. - sincerely an adc main

Big Lincoln1 votes

Courage of the collesus literally renders adcs useless for a good chunk early to mid game.

Probably the saving grace of this mastery. ADCs should be shit early. No exception.

, i just got done watching a varus hit a maokai for 60 autos, lord dom came through boom autos are now at 125. Cant buy crit chance because you had to rush a lord dom.

Did Varus not have a single item before that? A tank doing his job? I'm one of the first people to say Maokai is cancer but this is not a valid criticism at all. He should have rushed his core, not Dominik's.

No more black cleaver or ghostblade renders combat adcs ( Lucian and MF ) extremely weaker in areas where they are supposed to be strong.

MF is still good. Her winrate has gone from 'way too high' to 'above average;' she has not suffered. Lucian was an offensive champion with his armor pen build giving him an insane early game on top of still being allowed to scale. Riot is very fond of him, so I wouldn't be shocked to see buffs if he remains bad once his build changes.

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ouzeWPKX,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-11-17T18:31:49.062+0000)

Probably the saving grace of this mastery. ADCs should be shit early. No exception.

Did Varus not have a single item before that? A tank doing his job? I'm one of the first people to say Maokai is cancer but this is not a valid criticism at all. He should have rushed his core, not Dominik's.

MF is still good. Her winrate has gone from 'way too high' to 'above average;' she has not suffered. Lucian was an offensive champion with his armor pen build giving him an insane early game on top of still being allowed to scale. Riot is very fond of him, so I wouldn't be shocked to see buffs if he remains bad once his build changes.

These arent valid points... They are just biased

Big Lincoln2 votes

ADCs should be shit early

not biased at all. late-game champions are balanced around weak early games. ADCs are a late game class (Ezreal Corki notwithstanding). they should be the weakest early on, especially because they're ranged to boot.

Varus rushed a % pen item first like a retard

valid point. If you're Varus ADC you build Essence Reaver and a Zeal item first. Dominik's does nothing for you unless you already have damage.

MF is still good

not biased. She is statistically (objectively) doing well. She is not weak, she does not need buffs. At a 51% winrate with an above average pick rate, she has been put into a balanced state.

Rivuo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Big Lincoln,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=ouzeWPKX,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2016-11-17T20:53:48.919+0000)

not biased at all. late-game champions are balanced around weak early games. ADCs are a late game class (Ezreal Corki notwithstanding). they should be the weakest early on, especially because they're ranged to boot.

Late game champs are not balanced around weak early games.

Nasus Veigar Anivia Cassiopeia Gangplank Kassadin KogMaw Vayne are all champs who by nature of their kit, get stronger as the game goes on.

Yet you dont see them going 0-15 or doing ''No damage''... Some of them are actually quite the lane bully from time to time....

valid point. If you're Varus ADC you build Essence Reaver and a Zeal item first. Dominik's does nothing for you unless you already have damage.

First off i never said i went essence reaver and zeal.

Varus had infinity edge, caulfields warhammer, wasent doing damage, grabbed lord dom, still not doing damage because no crit.

Im not stating an opinion, im stating a fact, if you're forced to get a lord dom fast, then you suffer from no crit chance or no lifesteal/MR

not biased. She is statistically (objectively) doing well. She is not weak, she does not need buffs. At a 51% winrate with an above average pick rate, she has been put into a balanced state.

You cant say shes ''put'' into a balanced state because she has a 51% win rate.

Meddler noted that Jinx having a 53-54% win rate is ''normal'' because she has to be in a percentage where she wins to be considered balanced.

So that statement is false.

Ralanr1 votes

Nasus has a bad early.

Rivuo1 votes

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Nasus has a bad early.

There are some matches in which he wins early......

Ralanr1 votes

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There are some matches in which he wins early......

Yeah, some. But he's generally balanced around having a weak early that can be bullied out.

That's generally how late game champions are balanced.

Rivuo1 votes

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Yeah, some. But he's generally balanced around having a weak early that can be bullied out.

That's generally how late game champions are balanced.

Yes. Some

Just like every champion should have some bad matchups too.

???

Ralanr1 votes

But Vayne doesn't seem to have any anymore. According to Champion GG where she has an over 59% winrate and over 25% playrate.

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