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Nobody knows what relic shield does

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Every game my team doesn't let me last hit a couple minions, they think I'm stealing from them even when I explain how the item works... Please riot make a support PSA

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SwiftKitten8862 votes

it can be bad in lane sometimes, but people start grouping in mid game u can guarantee your gold income from that item, is zero, no one is EVER going to let u kill a minion, it's pretty sad.

+1

Pierce The Veal2 votes

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it can be bad in lane sometimes, but people start grouping in mid game u can guarantee your gold income from that item, is zero, no one is EVER going to let u kill a minion, it's pretty sad.

+1

I try to let supports kill the cannon and whatnot, but oftentimes if they’re not even in the lane yet, I’m not going to wait. Shoving lanes is pretty important and relic shield’s passive can be contradictory as you would need to let minions get close to your own turrets.

Marothennan50 votes

i'm pretty sure that they know but they don't actually care

ModKnightsKemplar4 votes

It's made worse by champs that have an actually legit reason not to let you.

Nasus, Veigar, and Sion have good reason not to let you get the final blow, because the minion is worth more than just the gold to them. Honestly, I think relic passive needs work.

Disulfiram1 votes

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Honestly, I think relic passive needs work.

What if relic shield gave you gold when you receive some damage from champions? This way champions buying it would have another incentive to trade/engage/tank, which is usually what those champions want to do to be active in lane anyway. (if the enemy is ignoring you in order to not give you gold, then you are probably going to get an easily won lane from repeated free trades/engages) A system like item 3303 's lockout would prevent this item from being abused in other lanes.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

Hmm... it's an interesting thought. I don't hate way that you're thinking, but I don't love that particular suggestion.

I do think something more inventive would be great. Soft prediction, in addition to the other problems in this thread, relic shield is going to look even worse when winion stats go away and wave management becomes important again. Relic is going to look really bad when your marksmen is trying to freeze a wave.

Disulfiram1 votes

Alright, another idea: periodically, a shrine spawns in the area you're in (similarly to Zyra's seeds or Illaoi's tentacles) After a few seconds, the shrine blooms into a gem: yellow gives gold, red heals (only you? both you and an ally?) Killing minions disables the shrine counter for a while.

Tegash1 votes

Riot could always bring back Globe of Trust from Black Market Brawlers, but they've already made clear their stance on shield spam in the botlane so it's unlikely.

Death by Glamour41 votes

it is amusing when your midlaner sees you coming and then turns into golum

"my precious minions"

Mael Jade28 votes

"Oh, my support wants to get these minions so they get gold that they spent on control wards as only player in the team and they also want to heal me. I should one-combo burst the whole wave" ---Mages and Marksman player 101

SanKakU2 votes

Honestly though, imagine if the healing scaled with bonus HP, then maybe some eyebrows would raise at that income item and it would be a more competitive option, perhaps even too good.

Tahminatrix 20 votes

Or when your laners see you walking towards a wave of 20+ Minions to sit there and soak up the hp with overgrowth, so they ult to make sure to kill every last minion before you get there.

SwiftKitten8812 votes

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Or when your laners see you walking towards a wave of 20+ Minions to sit there and soak up the hp with overgrowth, so they ult to make sure to kill every last minion before you get there.

or when u ping that your like at 92% exp until lvl 11 which cuts off 30 second off your ultimate cooldown.. and they don't let u get in exp range because "its more important on solo laners"

RIGHT.. because getting you from lvl 13 at 20% exp to lvl 13 at 70% exp is "somehow" more important than me getting the base stats per lvl of the next level and from drastically lowering the cooldown of my ultimate and nearly doubling it's damage.

because "support don't matter"

or when you like 50 gold from a massive item likeitem 3157 ( on morg) oritem 3504 item 3107 item 3222

and they dont let u last hit the minion becuase "support dont need gold", and they need that gold to go from 400 gold to 470 gold when thier building item 3089.

like great lets let that gold sit in your inventory for the next 5 min while u get the rest to complete to item. as opposed to me trying to finish my core item fight before infernal is spawning and i need to prepare for a teamfight

seriously it takes all my self control not to tell these people to "go fuck themselves".

PaladinNO7 votes

Or the already maxed out ADC solos 3 waves for no reason, when the tank with 4 Relic charges moves to it to get some items for himself to help the team even more.

That Alt + F4 does look mighty tempting sometimes...

Let's just say I "missed" that next Taric ult. The Vayne was just out of range.

Clamato N Lime1 votes

how in the fuck is an adc gonna solo 3 waves before you can hit even one minion lol. That's just bad on you tbh

Support 4 Lyfe2 votes

You know it takes a long time to go from base to lane, right?

Clamato N Lime1 votes

I know this is like old as fuck but I just saw it and still got triggered lmao. If you're a sup main and you actually expect your team to sit there at the wave and wait for you to walk from base just so you can trigger your stacks, you are on crack. Legit, i'm a sup secondary and that is just something that is your fault. You should have proc'd them before you left, or just accept that its gonna be a minute before you can do it yourself. It's not anyone else's fault.

No one is gonna risk them grouping and using the wave to siege tower just for your stupid stack.

PaladinNO2 votes

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With the ADC having more than 100 higher movement speed than me? And being in a different lane than me? And I have to recall due to low health after a fight the ADC wasn't even in?

It's circumstantial, aye, but that was the point.

Get Ogre Here8 votes

I used to main Nautilus so I know how awful it can be for people to completely disregard relic shield, but sometimes I accidentally last-hit a cannon with my relic shield support right next to me and I feel really bad >.<

I put 'mb' in the chat tho so it's okay

PaladinNO5 votes

My farm! Don't you DARE steal my farm! ~ Vayne

That, and the Zoe baloon minions.

"Do people even see these?" ~ Zoe

There was a time when the Relic charges could be pinged. Now I ping - and people still don't read it - that I got a ward (or not).

This is fine. I can go top lane. ~ Braum

Kazekiba1 votes

Playing Zoe or Bard is a nightmare, except in Bard's case they have an excuse because @RIOT STILL HASNT LET ALLIES SEE BARD'S CHIMES

WOULDNT IT BE NICE IF THE MINIMAP TOLD YOU WHERE YOUR TEAMMAGE IS GOING TO ROAM WHEN HE NEEDS TO? Nope better rely on pings that no one listens to and interprets as flame

PaladinNO1 votes

Bard got a bigger problem than that: Many people still don't know how his healing shrines work.

You put 1 or even 2 of them down in the lane for the ADC to take if needed while you get some chims in enemy jungo, but she still manages to get herself killed under your own turret.

/all report useless bard!!! no help!!~ Vayne

And when you move the screen over, you see both shrines still on the ground, fully charged, and you ask yourself: "How did she even manage to miss those...?".

Regarding the shrines, there are 2 types of people: 1, They go out of their way - and almost dies - to avoid them. 2, The already full HP ally going "ooh, movement speed candy! I'll have some of that!"

It's tough. :/

However, on rare occasions, he is a proper savior: https://1drv.ms/u/s!AuFMZD__7mN2j2V6JEPeVva1pISW

Kazekiba1 votes

You are so right it hurts. Itd be less an issue if he saw more play like when he was a top tier support in dia+.

Yara04 votes

Yah but playing support we kinda always get shafted. Are items get abused by other lanes so they get nerfed. They added side quests to make getting wards up harder.

Hardly any supports are playable in other roles other then support. They don't seam to get what supports want. The role is so disliked riot created auto fill to force people to play it.

TBH i don't even care what riot does to the role anymore i just want to do the job most people dislike because it feels nice to be useful. I just wish they wouldn't gut warding so hard you know. I like my little ward buddies but riot seems to hate that i like them.

NTM banner got removed so i cant have fun with that anymore. Maybe riot can find a way to make support items only available to supports. Kinda like smite items for junglers.

SanKakU1 votes

Support is not even the most rarely played role anymore. If they release another champion or two like Pyke and market them for the support role, I have a hunch it would become the most popular role in the game.

Kazekiba2 votes

buff brand's waveclear, nerf his CC/ult and force Supports to take Exhaust + Support items.

DaCurtis4 votes

There's a very simple reason why mid-game people don't want to give Relic users CS. It takes about 3seconds for a support to auto attack 4 minions, and usually at mid game, someone can clear a wave in 1 second.

Riot needs to find a way for supports to do the same with relic shield - ie, one auto attack used all 4 stacks.

It's not a problem with players, but a problem with design.

Van Dam Bam3 votes

the last fun thing to do in league is killing minions,are you gonna take that away from me too?

Full Brain2 votes

item 1056 is best support item. MY FARM NOW! [sg-lux]

Luminier2 votes

Lol wtf what elo are you? I've literally never had this problem. Not saying you're incorrect, or anything, I've just actually never had to deal with that level of dumbassery.

IEatDolphins1 votes

Nobody in bronze. My silver teammates seem to know what they're doing

14376134713471342 votes

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Nobody in bronze. My silver teammates seem to know what they're doing

My silver teammates don't

ez mental boom2 votes

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SanKakU1 votes

A poorly designed MMR system says you're right. A logical person says you're wrong.

Cheini1 votes

i kind of think this goes two-way tbh

like supp wasting charges on minions adc can easily kill, not keeping at least one for the cannon wave, nor even pinging i must use mana to secure it so i expect him to exec..

sigh, in fact i often use g ping to tell "go take it.." xd

Support Position1 votes

theres glowing orbs around their character to tell if they have a stack. However if its cannon wave they typically have it coming up by the time minions start hitting it

Cheini2 votes

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theres glowing orbs around their character to tell if they have a stack. However if its cannon wave they typically have it coming up by the time minions start hitting it

oh didn't know for the orbs ty :p

stiiiill.. i definitely wouldn't count on the minion spawn timer xd

SanKakU1 votes

No man, I've seen a lot of Relic Shield support wannabes that literally just take 2 minions immediately with both champs at full HP and they don't even care that it heals and they don't even touch the wave afterwards, letting their lane partner do all the harassing while they just practice their skill shots on the enemies.

Support Position1 votes

you always take 2 on first wave. Every game

SanKakU1 votes

Highlight or it didn't happen. I don't even take Relic Shield in ranked games lately, so how would you have proof of this?

Support Position1 votes

Not you, saying in general. you always should.

SanKakU1 votes

The math does not support your reasoning, if you even have any which you aren't sharing. You don't get extra charges of gold sharing by using all charges ASAP. Using one immediately when you're at max or when about to hit max is efficient, using all immediately is just wasteful.

14376134713471342 votes

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The math does not support your reasoning, if you even have any which you aren't sharing. You don't get extra charges of gold sharing by using all charges ASAP. Using one immediately when you're at max or when about to hit max is efficient, using all immediately is just wasteful.

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