One of Fizz's passive needs to go away

BeatzBoyFTW·Jan 8, 2016·7 votes·861 views

I mean just his normal passive, not the W.

#1) Takes reduced basic damage based on levels.

I don't why this is even needed when he can literally remove himself from the map with his E, plus the fact that his W deals DoT with just 1 AA. We deserve to punish him harder with the combination of our own simple AA & minion aggro, and this passive is just in the way.

#2) Able to move through units.

I can't believe Hecarim's was pushed into his E even though he isn't that entirely mobile. But Fizz on the other hand? Yes. Again, with his E, combined with his Q which can make nifty slick plays into slipping in teamfights & dodge right back out. If he were to purchase and is able to get out of trouble this easily, he deserved to be minion-blocked.

So which one do you guys think needs to be removed?

18 Comments

disregardableJan 8, 201611 votes

Neither. He's a melee AP assassin with no shield. He's needs some defensive mechanisms to survive.

Darius StradaJan 8, 20164 votes

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Neither. He's a melee AP assassin with no shield. He's needs some defensive mechanisms to survive.

"Defensive mechanism" The fuck is his E then?

disregardableJan 8, 20166 votes

A defense mechanisms he needs to survive.

BhagswagJan 8, 20163 votes

Hecarim is a tanky bruiser thing. He needs his ghost passive to survive.

disregardableJan 8, 20163 votes

Hecarim has 2 forms of hard cc and a heal.

BhagswagJan 8, 20163 votes

Fizz has 2 gap closers and a soft cc with an AoE magic bomb.

disregardableJan 8, 20163 votes

The gap closers are to get onto him and the damage is to assassinate. He gets his passive to get out.

BhagswagJan 8, 20161 votes

Okay. Then give Diana the same extra passive. Should be no big deal since she just needs it to get out.

Oh, wait, that's what makes her an acceptable assassin; her lack of escape. She jumps on her target, and stays on them. What does Fizz do? Jumps on them, kills them, AND EASILY gets out.

Now Hecarim, I still don't understand; why was his ghost removed?

disregardableJan 8, 20165 votes

Diana also has an extremely strong shield to help her survive. Makes it so she doesn't need to walk out. /sigh.

BhagswagJan 8, 20161 votes

Who needs a shield when you can get hit by nothing?

/gasp.

Hayaishi2Jan 8, 20162 votes

1st passive needs to go, it's one of the main reasons why Fizz can get away with so many misplays.

ModKnightsKemplarJan 8, 20162 votes

Yeah, reduced damage just doesn't make sense for him, I reckon... he has two dashes to get out of bad situations.

DarkLordArbiturJan 8, 20163 votes

Riven

ModKnightsKemplarJan 8, 20161 votes

Agreed. I would be equally questioning of a reduced damage passive on her.

DarkLordArbiturJan 21, 20163 votes

oh you said something about two dashes is what I was referring to.

FızzJan 8, 20162 votes

fizz can't survive and farm without his passive early game he can't use his e every moment (long cd and high mana cost) note that e isn't just to survive, it's for damage play the champ before complaining