How do you plan on compensating Veiger for the removal of DFG?

I am concerned about this upcoming change for veigar. His stun + inescapable burst are why he is already on the edge of being a game health problem. He needs changes but I am not sure increasing his burst outright is the way to go.

He could use more of a kit update, I think.

I'd say lower cooldowns would be the best way to fix him. So now he can't just instant 100-0 people? Well, to compensate, he can 50-0 people a lot more often, if he can find opportunities to do so. Or add more utility to some of his abilities so he's not so 1-dimensional. Almost every other champion seems to have lots of things they can do. Almost every Veiger player seems to rely on the same thing and rarely does much else. I think more strategies could be opened up for him if some of his abilities did a few more things than just more damage.

Veigar needs a rework, hes a stupid champion with no counterplay anyway.

sona him

Veigar

Baleful Strike

• Base Damage increased to 80/130/180/230/280 from 180/125/170/215/260
• AP Ratio increased to 70% from 60%

Dark Matter

• AP Ratio increased to 110% from 100%

Primordial Burst

• Base Damage increased to 300/400/500 from 250/375/500
• AP Ratio increased to 125% from 120%

(Total Damage increase of 70/45/20 (+25% AP))

Compensated? Maybe they can also look at some other aspects of Veigar's kit too to fix some strange and possibly changeable things (like how his W has an extremely high mana cost despite it having a 1.25 second delay and applying nothing but damage)

I don't play too many champs that dfg is core on, diana and veiger being the two I occasionally play.

It makes me sad that it'll ruin lots of off-meta ap builds :/

Remake him entirely, Sion level job imo, right now he's a posterboy for no counterplay besides being a relatively weak pick.

nah he's op

Maybe add a mark-style effect on his ult. Make it do +% HP magic damage for every skill successfully landed (Max 3) before ulting in addition to the ult base damage.

They'll probably buff his W. I don't think Riot particularly likes buffing undodgeable single-target burst abilities. They might "modernize" his ult damage though since it's significantly weaker against AD midlaners, who weren't around or really in mind when Veigar was designed.

One change I'd like to see that will probably be unpopular to Veigar mains would be to make his E enemy unit + self-targeted or just unit-targeted, then majorly buff the other aspects of it (cast time, cast range, CD, early stun duration, size etc.) Would add counterplay, make his E more interesting (trap the enemies in a cage vs. point-and-click stun) and will probably allow them to buff his other abilities even more.

Sadly all Veigar has is burst and high mana costs, fixing problems with either will make him too strong

Slightly longer range and faster drop on W. Damn he would be solid then.

Veigar is antiquated as a character.

His ult alone, with it's double-dipping scaling is a classic DOTA recipe that doesn't really belong in LoL anymore, as with his AOE stun-field. I haven't seen his name thrown around the rework-talks but coupled with his old model and animations, I deeply feel as though Veigar could use a modern retouch.

Maybe just give him some mana help. Even in a lane that I only use Q to last hit with, I run low on mana pretty quickly. Like, Q farming only allows me to throw 1 stun out there before I'm completely out of mana for awhile. Who knows, maybe I just suck with him.

So that DFG removal is really gonna make life a pain in the ass for Veigar players huh.

Because throwing out your full rotation and doing 500 more damage than necessary isn't enough. The 80% enemy ap ratio just isn't enough. If you aren't overkilling them by at least 800 you aren't having fun.

Perhaps give him a lower cost on his q so you can have enough mana to last hit with it and still be able to poke your enemy down with it enough to burst them when you hit six.

Veigar was fine when this game grew to the most popular PC game.

Stop crying.